I have a bud that just got a '16 FLTRU. We were talking & he asked me if the new Infotainment system would work with a Bluetooth rig in his helmet. He was specifically interested in the capability with the CB.
If you are referring to hands free operation with phone or CB via BT and infotainment... forget it. MOCO never opted for it during the build of the infotainment systems. There is a BT protocol missing from the build... on purpose
No, what he is looking for is to be able to use his current lid (with Bluetooth comm) with his new FLTRU, as opposed to having to put a wired headset into the helmet that plugs into the console. I don't believe he is looking for anything hands-free, just being able to use the CB via the current Bluetooth comms in his helmet.
Thats what I am saying.... the BT capabilities of the infotainment are very limited and... as OP stated... YOU MUST use a wired headset for CB and handsfree operations... sucks
This is the one thing that pisses me off about my new Road Glide. this Boom Box Infotainment! You need to be wired to use its functionality through he headset when all of the technology is available to leverage the Bluetooth. At least he has the wired option. The RG and RGS folks would need to pay close to a thousand to upgrade to this antiquated wired set up. The MoCo went too far by leaving the Bluetooth option out.
This is the one thing that pisses me off about my new Road Glide. this Boom Box Infotainment! You need to be wired to use its functionality through he headset when all of the technology is available to leverage the Bluetooth. At least he has the wired option. The RG and RGS folks would need to pay close to a thousand to upgrade to this antiquated wired set up. The MoCo went too far by leaving the Bluetooth option out.
This topic piqued my interest, as there are plenty of Bluetooth headsets on the market. So, what's missing? Apparently there is a protocol that H-D didn't request be added to the Infotainment system: the HSP-headset profile.
The 6.5 system supports these protocols: HFPAG, HFPHF, AVRCP, A2DP_SINK, and A2DP_SOURCE. But not HSP. Seems to me that it could be added in a flash update... unless we have to wait for a BoomTooth headset. ;-)
I guess I don't understand. I see plenty of Bluetooth headsets on the market (Sena, Cardo, UClear, etc.) Isn't the problem really with the audio manufacturers (head units) not incorporating support for the Bluetooth protocols & services presently available?
I bought a SENA and its fine. I can listen to my iPhone and take calls from it. I can't however listen to the GPS or answer any phone calls when the iPhone is connected to the BOOM BOX. Besides the the wired comm headset, you also need someplace to plug it in. The RGU has a comm port in the center of the gas tank. You would need to upgrade the bike to do that and it is expensive. In the end you have the communications but you are hooked to cable.
Mine is an 09 CVO and I picked it up from dealer this morning. Had them install new Garmin 590lm and Bluetooth module. Had to purchase additional speaker cable. GPS plugs into aux port. Everything else syncs to it. Phone and Sena headsets. All plays through steroids system on bike. 276 miles so far today and I'm loving it. New GPS is awesome.
Thought I found this item on this site maybe it was HD forums, anyway AKE Bluetooth Gateway for Harley Item 39332, read some write ups and ordered it. took a while to come in gonna install on my 16 RGU today look for a review in the near future. Should solve our problem
Thought I found this item on this site maybe it was HD forums, anyway AKE Bluetooth Gateway for Harley Item 39332, read some write ups and ordered it. took a while to come in gonna install on my 16 RGU today look for a review in the near future. Should solve our problem
Looks like an interesting article. Unfortunately, reading it requires a WSJ subscription. Curious to hear if the Bluetooth gateway works as advertised.
quick test i was able to make a call dialing on the bike with the touch pad. Busy day. It doesn't fit very well but it seems to work so far. Stay Tuned
unfortunately the RG and RGS don't come with a 7 Pin even to utilize this aftermarket bluetooth gateway. I explored and tinkered with the infotainment and my Sena. In the end, I came to the realization and accepted that the bike speakers worked great for the tunes and the Sena was great to bluetooth directly to my phone which would plug into the USB of the bike (no bluetooth to bike as this confused everything). Essentially I run the two independently which is best for me for usability and fewer rider distractions.
Bingo, best way to run things, as I too learned, after struggling with the idea that I couldn't use all the little buttons they placed on the handlebars, IE; PTT, CB,
I don't think car functionality is a good baseline for what should exist on a touring motorcycle. With a car, you can have a car radio, an external CB if you're so motivated, and a Bluetooth headset paired to a cell phone, all completely independent of each other with the only real penalty in functionality being that they can't mute the individual functions when there's signal over one of the other channels.
With a motorcycle, you have one helmet with capacity for one headset. You have to decide whether to run a wired headset for terrestrial radio and CB or a Bluetooth headset for phone pairing. Other than blasting all the other road users with your radio and getting an external CB mic, it's an entirely either/or proposition.
I don't think car functionality is a good baseline for what should exist on a touring motorcycle. With a car, you can have a car radio, an external CB if you're so motivated, and a Bluetooth headset paired to a cell phone, all completely independent of each other with the only real penalty in functionality being that they can't mute the individual functions when there's signal over one of the other channels.
With a motorcycle, you have one helmet with capacity for one headset. You have to decide whether to run a wired headset for terrestrial radio and CB or a Bluetooth headset for phone pairing. Other than blasting all the other road users with your radio and getting an external CB mic, it's an entirely either/or proposition.
Car functionality is the baseline but only because there are no exclusive motorcycle head unit manufacturers. Besides being put into a water resistant case, the HD Head unit is a car stereo.
Been looking at this same want of function for 2011 Glide. Which is eliminate cables for the phone... I did see a Bluetooth module on Ebay or Amazon that was plug and play for less than $100. It mounted inside the fairing...BTW just went for a look and couldn't find it but there were some other options available.
I don't trust my TomTom 100% and always like to have the Phones Google Maps for back up...
I don't know why some folks see some of this as mutually exclusive.
I have a Nolan lid with an integrated J&M headset. I have every bit of functionality from the Infotainment system: listen to any audio source (radio, sat radio, anything plugged into USB); make & receive phone calls; use the CB; issue voice commands; hear navigational prompts.
The only missing element is eliminating the cable from the helmet to the connector on the dash... and it looks like the AKE module does that.
I've been using this for quite a while. It's been working great. I've got the blue tooth capability for everything you can do on a Rushmoor bike. My Sena headsets still lasts over 30 hours so that's never a problem. I've answered maybe 3 calls in two years. Its worked but I'm selective. I usually just tell them howdy, ask how I sound and let them know I'm on the bike and tell them I'll call them back.
I found this on the Streetglide.com forum that is interesting reading.
Swomack
Harley Bluetooth: AKE HC2
I've built my own Sena Bluetooth adapters using an SMH10 and even one with the SR10. Both performed well and as designed as a mono/duplex solution to link my headsets to my 2014 Harley Streetglide infotainment stereo but I wanted to see what this AKE device I had heard folks talk about on the web was all about. Spoiled Biker used to sell them so I read but discontinued so, with no one currently selling them stateside I took a chance, reached out to the company in Germany, and ordered one directly from them.
For just under $200 U.S. and about 10 days from the date I ordered, the AKE PB-HC2 arrived on my door step. Based on everything I'd seen previously on the web the product I received had seen some updates. The 12v power wire is now a 2 wire setup with a ground. The instructions said to only use this ground if disturbances were noted when using the device so I connected the 12v wire for power and wrapped the ground with electrical tape and did not use it. It still comes with a 7 pin DIN connection for the Harley so no change there. I didn't own one of these so this was an additional purchase for me. I had ordered some female 7 pin DIN connectors thinking I'd make my own cable but when they arrived they were cheap so I bought the Harley cable part # 69200865.
Another change was the AKE device also has a remote multifunction button which allows it to be completely hidden while leaving only the button accessible and it is the same diameter as the Harley comms cable port so can be mounted in the fairing opposite the jukebox storage like a few of the dealerships do on the CVO models for the headset port or in the metal dash on the gas tank like all the ultras have. Most of the discussions I had read before sounded like guys had this thing sitting on their tank or somewhere accessible which would no longer be necessary with this remote button. I chose to mount my button in the left side of my internal fairing opposite the jukebox storage compartment as just mentioned.
Bc I already had my CB installed I needed to remove it during install to give me enough space to work with and mount the multifunction button. I proceeded and drilled a big*$$ 3/4" hole in my fairing and once mounted and cable attached i returned the CB to its mounting location. Next I connected a 7 pin DIN cable to the actual AKE module and was ready to power it up. I powered it up and it immediately went into pairing mode. With all previous pairings deleted on my Sena headset I tried pairing to the AKE device. After three failed attempts I figured it was time to actually read the instructions. I ended up following the steps to clear all pairings on the AKE Device per its little manual and a few minutes later I had it. I think it may have come from the company already paired with a different headset as it will only allow one headset to pair with it at a time. I recall during my order process one of the representatives told me to put in my order form online, which headset I use and I told them SMH10 but I was testing on this day with my Sena SPH10. They may have tested it from the factory with the other device and it just needed to be cleared.
With headset paired it was time to test. Here's what I found. Because I connected my device to switched power The AKE started up with the bikes ignition. After a few seconds it connected to my headset. It initially was in mono/duplex mode and seems to do that by default. I tried a few voice commands and a phone call and its performance was on par with the two Sena devices I had built and tried previously. Next I tapped the remote multifunction button and THE DEVICE WENT INTO STEREO MODE! I was listening to my Harley's FM stereo in stereo quality audio on my headset. That was a huge improvement over my earlier experiences with the Sena devices which only did mono unless you add a second device and I figure for anyone that has gone that route about $100-$150 less in costs. There is a catch though. The Sena headsets don't handle the bass in a lot of my music so I had to dial the volume down on the Sena and the bike to find the sweet spot that allowed enough volume without distortion. Not a huge concern for me because I run my music out of my Harley speakers anyway. Just nice to know I can do it if I choose.
Because both the Bluetooth headsets I own are Sena and I was now listening to stereo quality audio I figured I'd test the ability to conduct music sharing which is a Sena headset feature. If successful I'd have a two up audio solution. So, I paired my second Sena headset to the one connected to the bike and with an intercom connection established I held my jog dial down until I got two beeps and both headsets were listening to stereo. Success!
I finally tested the AKE devices ability to transition from stereo back to mono with both headsets connected in an intercom session ... I tapped the AKE multifunction button and the device went back into mono/duplex mode, I made a quick phone call, then tapped the button again and went right back to listening to stereo. There was a slight pause but the other paired headset returned to listening to stereo as well. While the AKE was in mono the second headset was silent so only the rider heard audio until the stereo connection was re-stablished. The AKE device doesn't support two up audio but because it pushes out that A2DP signal my Senas can share it. Anytime I returned to mono the headset NOT connected to the AKE was silent until I returned the AKE to stereo mode.
After some preliminary testing of this device I'm pretty happy with it. The set up is almost completely hidden or looks like a stock solution. It provides my passenger and I the ability to listen to stereo and me the ability to push a button to switch the device to mono/duplex mode and use CB and all other bike audio functions then switch back. It powers on with the bike and turns off with it as well. My hole I drilled can be filled with the Harley cable part# 69200865 if they ever decide to give us the Bluetooth profile where add ins become unnecessary in the boom system so no permanent damage. I did notice that on occasion the AKE device doesn't want to pair correctly and I had to restart it to synch with my Sena headset but a quick restart of the device and hold down the button to get it into pairing mode and it corrected in seconds.
I'm sure I'll find a few more quirks down the road to report but to conclude, I figure if you're willing to take the risk and order from AKE in Germany until someone stateside starts selling them again, this device has the ability to provide a much needed solution to the new Harley's lack of Bluetooth headset connectivity. Subject I suppose to any fluctuations in currency rates you stand to walk away with a solution that is as good or better than anything out there at the moment for less money. I did notice that spoiled bikers version was listed at $299 although discontinued but I had mine paid and shipped for under $200.image.jpg
Hi guys, just spotted a potential solution. I am using a Sena 10S especially for longer rides, and the lack of compatibility with OEM info made me crazy.
Lot of information about this subject. Make it simple for me.
1. Not overly concerned about cost. My current Cardo head sets are aging so replacing would be no big deal. They have worked great for wife and I.
2. Do not care about CB or phone. Aint answering calls while enjoying a ride or talking on a CB. Retiring again in 10 months and they can shove this phone.....
3. What I want is wireless from radio to both headsets. My wife hates that xxx cord. My hearing aids will also Blue tooth.
I ride 20 to 60 K a year. Listening to news and radio as I ride is something I enjoy and so does my wife.
Something like the products talked about here would be great if they work.
You should consider the SENA 20s models, they have built in FM tuners (each headset can tune independently too so you can each listen to something different) so you could leave the bike's system off and get exactly what you want-if you desire in the future to connect to your phone for communication/music/GPS they do that quite well too. She could also connect her phone to her headset and you can just listen to the radio.
Battery life is superb, audio quality is fair (I'm using a 1/2 helmet, it's probably better in a full or 3/4), and usability is pretty good once you figure out the controls. Biggest negative for me is that it is NOT waterproof, and barely water resistant according to some online reviews.
So what I have gathered from this thread is that the infotainment system can Bluetooth with your phone, but cannot connect to the headset via Bluetooth correct? So what is needed with the Harley 30k headset is for it to be connected via cable to hear music over the headset from your phone, ipod or any other device right?
If I have you question correct, if you have a Rushmore model, you have to have the H-D Whim module to connect to a headset using bluetooth. If you want to listen in stereo you have to have the H-D branded headset.
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