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Tuned with the new Pro Street Tuner. BAD ?

16K views 37 replies 17 participants last post by  freedom1974 
#1 ·
Got the numbers from the dyno tune with the street tuner. Bike has VandH powerduals extreme ventilator air intake and street cannons mufflers. 81HP 92ftlbs. Sounds pretty pathetic to me. Maybe I am used to having a bike that makes big HP. This is my first Harley. Are those numbers ok or is the tuner holding it back or something else? I have not rode the bike yet to see how it feels. Will pick it up tomorrow. The bike I traded in was 136hp 140hp. Of course it had tons of motor work done. Stage one the bike dynoed at 95hp 114ftlbs.
 
#4 ·
Steve Cole using TTS Turner was able to get 79HP & 99 TQ in stock from. Pretty much same results as Jamie at FM.

With a Stage II Torque cam results were 97 HP & 107 TQ.

With a Stage II Power cam results were 102 HP 109 TQ.

IF you decide to go to the 114" Stage III Kit, 114 HP & 120 TQ is what he was able to get it of the box using a TTS Turner.
BONUS: By upgrading to a 114" Stage III Kit via 107" motor, you get higher comp rate of 11.4-11.5 (IIRC) vs the CVO comp rate of 10.4-10.5. (Again IIRC)


Congrats on your new Rig!


YB
 
#7 ·
My old '16 103 with somewhat the same except with the SEPT put out 86 and 110 so HP wise you are not far off but the custom tuning of the SEPT is what your trq is missing - I would not focus on #s as much as I would the chart and pull line - Also, if your bike has less that 2500 miles on it, IMHO, it is still breaking in - Other tuners will be out soon and you can get it re-done if you want to get better #s.......its just an odd time in the industry right now
 
#8 ·
The bike has 3600 miles on it. I really can not pass judgment till i ride it. Really it is not about the paper it is about the feel. The bike pulled good solo with just the SE cans on it. Me and the wife rode up to the rally in Milwaukee and loaded down with gear and a passenger she kinda struggled a bit. Also it was 90 degrees on the way home and my right leg was cooking.


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#24 ·
V&H PowerDuals with a proper set of Mufflers, support plenty of power, from stock to 150 square... Tuners like the PDs also... The difference is in the Mufflers...
 
#11 ·
Here is my problem with all this EPA deal,I bought a 17 RG run fair stock well i put on a set of slip ons and a screaming eagle air cleaner bike ran real good.Got worried about warranty got the street tuner put the stage one download in. bike ran like crap could smell it was to rich.If the EPA is against tuners how come so rich more emissions right.Had the factory tune put back in runs a little hot but runs real good.So i spent 300.00 for nothing.Just a money racket like everything else.
 
#18 · (Edited)
The EPA Consent Decree ONLY affects 2017 or newer. It does NOT affect a 2016 or back. Date of purchase doesn't matter.

OP: If your dealer said using an aftermarket tuner would void your warranty they're twisting the truth. That ONLY applies to 2017 or newer.

My '15 with just an air cleaner, V&H Pro Pipe, and a cam, is making 103 bhp and 108 ft-lbs tq.

The problem with the Pro Street Tuner module is that it will only download EPA/CARB compliant maps. That's what's hurting you. And, duals won't make the power that a good 2-1 will make, but I fully understand not every rider likes the look. You didn't mention a cam, so I assume you're running the stock cam. Your numbers are a little better than stock.

My tuner recommends Power Vision. He'll happily work with my SEPST, but Power Vision is his first choice. That's what he's using on his 200 mph bagger, and his 245 mph 143" Dyna with an Aerocharger on it. He's a beast! :D
 
#26 ·
I don't know what part of Idaho your from.But up here in the Sandpoint area there is a guy named Dan Norlan and he uses a power vision.He will sell the license for 199 and Dyno the bike.That way you don't have to purchase a power vision.Just a thought.
 
#20 ·
So anyone who bought a 2017 will just have to ride it with Harley parts until the 2 year warranty is up. When the warranty runs out it will be game on! Then you will see tons of people changing A/C, full exhaust without the Cat, Cam, and Ported Heads. Then we will see the real numbers this new engine is capable of. Also by the time the 2 year warranty is up all of the major manufacturers will have a good selection of performance goodies out. Now we just have wait out the 2 years!
Has anyone put the 114" kit on? How much did it cost for the kit and labor? Any issues with the kit?
 
#22 ·
If tuned with Power Vision, it will allow you to put the OEM part number of the original cal in place of the PV calibration ID number.
The part number is all they can see with the digital technician at the dealer, they do not have the ability to extract the calibration.
 
#29 ·
I upgraded my 2017 RGS with SE slip-ons, high flow air filter and SE tune and got 82.71 HP (72.79 stock) and 101.74 Torque (96.02 stock) which was slightly better than my 2016 RGS Stage II with V/H true duals, high flow air cleaner, V&H round slip ons, super tuner and 255 CAMS (81.92 HP and 101.25 Torque).

The fact that my 101.74 torque is steady from 2500 rpms to 4000 rpms made the upgrade worth it!
 
#37 ·
If I were you, I'd go straight Harley to keep warranty. I'd suggest the torque came, you already have pipes, the rest will cost you around $2k. I'm not sure Stage I give much bang for the buck anymore. The M8 pulls like a tractor stock.


I don't have an M8. It is a 103 2016


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#38 ·
Update on my poor performance. Dropped bike off today to have Dave Mackie 575L cams installed and tuned with my Power Vision. We will see how much difference the cams and power Vision tune make.


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