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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 03-22-2018, 08:00 PM Thread Starter
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New to Harley pipe???

Ok so im new to Harley and I just purchased a 2017 Road Glide and I cant stand the stock sound. I began reading threads about the different slip on's available and came across the dreaded "void your warranty" question. So I called the dealership and asked about putting on a set of 4" Rinehart slip on's and if that would have any effect on my warranty. The tech guy told me it would not directly void my warranty but if I went to an extended warranty and something happened, when the inspector looks at it they can blame it on the after market part and it would then be my responsibility. I then asked him if he ever saw a problem come from slip on's and he said no but he did recommend bringing the bike in and having a download done to make sure they do not cause the bike to run lean. That would be 350.00 he says.

I checked on Rinehart's web page and they specifically say there is no tuning needed or recommended when using these slip on's. For any of you that have slip on's did you do this as well? Or is this just to get more money out of me. I can install the pipes myself. I wasn't even gonna take it to Harley for this. I've always ridden a Honda VTX 1300 and did all work on it myself. Can anyone shed some light. thanks

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I just had a long conversation with my local dealership on the same subject.

They just had a meeting with HD on this. One of the head guys that helped design the M8 said you do not need to tune the bike with just mufflers.

If you add a intake, or headpipe you will need to tune the bike.

I'm installing the S&S MK 45's next week, and I will not tune the bike till I add the intake and headpipe, after my first service.

My dealership said I would not have any issues with just adding the mufflers.

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Harley acts like the Fed, as long as they get a cut they are happy and will slant anything their way to get someone to give them their cut. Intake and full exhaust, slip on's don't need a tune, add the cams or make any motor changes of course the tune would be in order. If you bought into the extended warranty I don't blame you for being cautious but I say ride the shit out of the bike make the changes you want use a quality mechanic, I would't pay the Harley freight but find a qualified mechanic / bike builder and speak with them. They wont tell you the company line but the actual truth about it.
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I don't think Harley changed anything in the stock ECM modules from the Twin Cams to the new M8s. Obviously they are different modules, but I mean the stock tuning variables. There should still be enough flexibility in the stock tunes to handle slip-ons. The air/fuel ratio shouldn't be affected with just slip-ons. Now the moment you start changing the headers to No Cat exhaust and/or high flow air filters you are seriously changing air/fuel ratios and the stock tune will be way to lean. So a fuel tuner would be required. Harley does offer an EPA compliant tuner but all the aftermarket tuners will void your warranty. Getting back to just mufflers, Harley and Vance & Hines offer EPA compliant aftermarket mufflers as well. The problem we 2017 & 18 Harley owners are faced with is the court settlement Harley agreed to with the EPA. Any changes made to the stock configuration of the overall emission system can void your warranty. However, Harley would have to prove just slip-ons caused any failure you encounter during your warranty period. Since Harley dealers all sell after market mufflers you probably would have no problem with your dealer if you bought your mufflers from them. But if your on the road travelling and breakdown a dealer elsewhere may deny any warranty claims. There are several threads on this website discussing the warranty issue, so check them out to be better informed.
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Thanks for the replies. Iíve been reading many of the other posts as well.


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I don't think Harley changed anything in the stock ECM modules from the Twin Cams to the new M8s. Obviously they are different modules, but I mean the stock tuning variables. There should still be enough flexibility in the stock tunes to handle slip-ons. The air/fuel ratio shouldn't be affected with just slip-ons. Now the moment you start changing the headers to No Cat exhaust and/or high flow air filters you are seriously changing air/fuel ratios and the stock tune will be way to lean. So a fuel tuner would be required. Harley does offer an EPA compliant tuner but all the aftermarket tuners will void your warranty. Getting back to just mufflers, Harley and Vance & Hines offer EPA compliant aftermarket mufflers as well. The problem we 2017 & 18 Harley owners are faced with is the court settlement Harley agreed to with the EPA. Any changes made to the stock configuration of the overall emission system can void your warranty. However, Harley would have to prove just slip-ons caused any failure you encounter during your warranty period. Since Harley dealers all sell after market mufflers you probably would have no problem with your dealer if you bought your mufflers from them. But if your on the road travelling and breakdown a dealer elsewhere may deny any warranty claims. There are several threads on this website discussing the warranty issue, so check them out to be better informed.
I still got stock mufflers. I have pretty crappy luck! If I got slip ons with out a doubt something would happen. I don’t think it’s Harley’s job to prove that just slip ons caused a problem. I think that proving that would be up to me. I don’t know tho, don’t thing I want to risk it.
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It's the responsibility of whoever is making the decision to not honor a warranty claim. If they say "your slip-ons caused your gas tank to leak gas and bubble the paint", they are also have the burden of proof to show how your slip-ons caused such damage.

I understand that Harley signed documents pertaining to EPA mandates etc., but the larger issue is they cannot over ride federal law, which is what the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is- they STILL have the burden of proof to show that your slip-ons, full exhaust, riders bell, after-market windshield etc. caused the failure of whatever component is being repaired/replaced under warranty.

I would not trust Wikipedia for everything, but this at least provides an overview should you decide to dig further into this matter.

"The federal minimum standards for full warranties are waived if the warrantor can show that the problem associated with a warranted consumer product was caused by damage while in the possession of the consumer, or by unreasonable use, including a failure to provide reasonable and necessary maintenance."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnus...s_Warranty_Act




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I still got stock mufflers. I have pretty crappy luck! If I got slip ons with out a doubt something would happen. I donít think itís Harleyís job to prove that just slip ons caused a problem. I think that proving that would be up to me. I donít know tho, donít thing I want to risk it.


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Mag moss is a joke, u will still have to sue to win...

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Mag moss is a joke, u will still have to sue to win...
That’s what I was thinking, I am so tired of stock mufflers! Don’t know what I am going to do yet? Seems like I am the only one that worries about the “void the warranty” thing?
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