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Hello All,

Currently researching my Stage 1 and beyond setup (2013 HD Road Glide Ultra). I'm planning on going the route of -

Big Sucker for intake
Jackpot headers and Rinehart 4" mufflers
Other mods to come later...

Question -
Is the above configuration - air and exhaust - within the tables of the T-Max for loading? Or will I have to pick something close / similar to it?

Have others who use the T-Max been able to eliminate the "ping" associated with the Harley "103" engine?
Has the T-Max effected MPG drastically when in use for others?

I'm sure I'll have other questions as I research this configuration, but was looking for some insight to my build.

-paul
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post #2 of 69 (permalink) Old 03-17-2015, 10:39 AM
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You should be able to Retard the Timing on the thundermax. Find out what RPM it is pinging at and retard the Timing in the setting. Mine did it at like 3800-6000K.
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You would have to compare it to the base maps and choose the base map that is close to your build. There are some base maps that are close to what your mods are going to be. Because there is so many build configurations it is impossible to have a base map for every build.
Retarding the timing is easy to do to get the ping out if you have any. You can adjust the timing using the "Timing vs TPS" feature or by using the "Timing vs Engine Speed" feature, I use the Timing vs Engine Speed to do most of my timing adjustments.
If the pinging only happen after the bike get hot then you can use the "Timing vs Engine Temp feature, this will adjust the timing when the bikes engine temps get too high.


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Depending if your headers are 2-1-2 or true duals all you need to do is pick the starting map with the proper header. The difference between the mufflers and the intakes are well within the TM's range to auto tune itself. Alternately if you buy the the TM from Drago or Fuel Moto they will supply you with proper starting map.

I had some pinging with mine at full throttle between about 3500 to 5000 rpm in 3rd and 4th gears. I just added some fuel in the appropriate places on the proper maps and it went away.

As far as fuel mileage, I currently get high 30s around town and low to mid 40s on the highway with the cruise set.


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ThunderMax is NOT for the rookie! It gives Plug and Play a whole new meaning! Plug in and constantly play with the settings! Not as simple as they promote! Not saying it is a bad tuner, just saying it is not as user friendly as promoted.
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I agree too. I was told all I have to do is ride and it will tune while I ride. Mine pinged like nobody's business. I had no help from where I bought it from or tmax. Two places that will NEVER get any of my money again. I gave up and had my 124 tuned with tts and gained 20hp and 23TQ over the tmax.

You can't log a tune and it doesn't use knock control. How the hell are you going to find where the ping started? Oh yeah with your ears and tape on the handle bar/throttle. I spent several hours trying to tune mine. I would ride and when I heard pinging I would pull over and adjust the timing in the areas where I heard ping with very little success.


There are much better options out there IMO.

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I found it very easy to use here are a few simple operations you can see basic settings like rev limit idle and so on and a easy way to adjust the air fuel ratio across the band
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I agree too. I was told all I have to do is ride and it will tune while I ride. Mine pinged like nobody's business. I had no help from where I bought it from or tmax. Two places that will NEVER get any of my money again. I gave up and had my 124 tuned with tts and gained 20hp and 23TQ over the tmax.

You can't log a tune and it doesn't use knock control. How the hell are you going to find where the ping started? Oh yeah with your ears and tape on the handle bar/throttle. I spent several hours trying to tune mine. I would ride and when I heard pinging I would pull over and adjust the timing in the areas where I heard ping with very little success.


There are much better options out there IMO.
You are riding he bike you should know where the ping starts and ends at what rpm Pinging-How to Adjust Timing To Remove Pinging

http://www.thunder-max.com/TechDocs/...EngineTemp.pdf

Pinging-How to Fine Tune for Pinging

http://www.thunder-max.com/techdocs/TimingVsRpm.pdf


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Hello All,

Currently researching my Stage 1 and beyond setup (2013 HD Road Glide Ultra). I'm planning on going the route of -

Big Sucker for intake
Jackpot headers and Rinehart 4" mufflers
Other mods to come later...

Question -
Is the above configuration - air and exhaust - within the tables of the T-Max for loading? Or will I have to pick something close / similar to it?

Have others who use the T-Max been able to eliminate the "ping" associated with the Harley "103" engine?
Has the T-Max effected MPG drastically when in use for others?

I'm sure I'll have other questions as I research this configuration, but was looking for some insight to my build.

-paul
Neither one of my 103s ping, my 117 doesn't ping either. 1 of the 103s and the 117 have been to the 4 corners. None have thundermax.

Why would you want to replace the perfectly good Harley / Delphi ECM, with something that doesn't have automatic knock control? There are many better options out there...
less$$ too...

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