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post #1 of 61 (permalink) Old 10-21-2016, 11:04 AM Thread Starter
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FWIW: M8 Warranty & Fines

FWIW - I have only gotten to 2 dealers here in the DC area so far to discuss the M8, the EPA, the tuning and warranty voiding. Here is what I have so far and I know its no surprise to you all:

1. If a owner uses any tuner other than a HD Street tuner - the power train warranty will be voided

2. All new (M8 associated) SE add ons will adhere to EPA standards

3. Any other add ons affecting engine/power/air will void the warranty.

QUOTE FROM ONE LONG TIME DEALER ASSOCIATE: "Jim I'm sorry, in a way this issue has always been there. But we always could take care of you by staying with us. Now, we just can't risk the $36,000.00 fine."

Research continues.

25 OCT 2016 ADDITION: GM sent this to me from MOCO Policy:

U.S. Customers: defects or damage impacting the functionality

of powertrain components in a motorcycle that has been tuned

using a tuner or calibration that was not covered by a California

ARB Executive Order or otherwise approved by EPA’.

In addition to this change, *** a new VIN block message will now

be used on all warranty claims where the motorcycle meets the

above statement. The VIN blocked message will read:

• ‘Non-compliant part affected powertrain’. *** In addition, warranty

claims will be denied for this reason.

NOTE

The definition of powertrain in this instance pertains to the

engine and all of its components, including the ECM (Engine

Control Module), primary drive and transmission including all

its components.
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Thanks for the info.
I'm planning to talk with a dealership tomorrow about it, not that I plan on replacing my '15 anytime soon.
I wonder if we'll see underwriters developing a new type of ESP? The way I read all of this is that it only applies to the 24-month factory warranty.


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I'd be curious if you were bringing your bike in for service and it had a powervision or tts tune that was in epa spec and you threw your old air filter and pipes back on would they know? obviously that's PITA but an interesting hypothetical question
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It looks like the older model Harley's value just went up.
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It looks like the older model Harley's value just went up.
I'm going to test ride an M8 tomorrow. I know FULLSAC is making progress on the headers and TTS map. But - as a lifetime Fed who has seen so much unrestrained inanity -- I fear for the future of tuning -- performance -- warranty. I fear the 3 shall forever now be in conflict.

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There is so much rumor and most of it passed along from employees none of which know than to pass along shit on shingles. Quote a source with your rumor, and a valid source at that.
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He is correct, the warranty policy has always existed and the fines for circumventing EPA compliance have always existed. So anytime in the past you've gone in with an aftermarket cam, tuner, exhaust, or other parts you are likely voiding the warranty. Whether or not the dealer gigs you on it depends on your relationship. This is true with cars, trucks, buses, etc.. A classic example is aftermarket tuners or custom exhaust systems on diesel pickups. I never let a dealer touch my bike after I ride it off the lot so not an issue for me or others that do their own work. Now, an aftermarket extended warranty may not matter as it's really just an insurance policy not in fact a warranty, but you'd have to check the individual policy language for specific terms and conditions. I did ask my dealer here in Tulsa just to get their take on it and they say no changes in the way they administer warranty on the 17s from previous years, but since I've never utilized their shop I can't speak to their policies.
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Amen. To add to the nonsense up here - 4 dealerships are now owned by "car dealer" parent companies and they have no concept of "traditional support".

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He is correct, the warranty policy has always existed and the fines for circumventing EPA compliance have always existed. So anytime in the past you've gone in with an aftermarket cam, tuner, exhaust, or other parts you are likely voiding the warranty. Whether or not the dealer gigs you on it depends on your relationship. This is true with cars, trucks, buses, etc.. A classic example is aftermarket tuners or custom exhaust systems on diesel pickups. I never let a dealer touch my bike after I ride it off the lot so not an issue for me or others that do their own work. Now, an aftermarket extended warranty may not matter as it's really just an insurance policy not in fact a warranty, but you'd have to check the individual policy language for specific terms and conditions. I did ask my dealer here in Tulsa just to get their take on it and they say no changes in the way they administer warranty on the 17s from previous years, but since I've never utilized their shop I can't speak to their policies.

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Just got email reply from DEALER 3:
"Any tuner other than HD Street Tuner will void your power train warranty."
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