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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 04-17-2017, 02:37 PM Thread Starter
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Anyone have any experience with this? $400 plus install plus DYNO tune?

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Anyone have any experience with this? $400 plus install plus DYNO tune?
This initial thread is pretty old so I'm hoping to revive it and get some feedback from folks.

I'm debating whether to get the Smart Tune Pro auto tuning module for my 2017 Road Glide Special. My bike has the SE Pro Street Tuner and a Stage IV kit with a Ventilator air cleaner and Rinehart Slimline full exhaust system. I primarily ride this bike on day trips and for longer road trips (one of which will be 1500 miles to Sturgis this year) Most of these rides typically include pretty substantial altitude changes. Heck, we have a mountain here in Tucson that we all ride up all summer long--Mt. Lemmon. It goes from 2500' to 8500' in 25 miles and (thankfully) the temps in the summer go from 110 at the base to 75 at the top. So lots of changes for my engine.

So I'm really curious to hear from those who have the auto tuning module. Does it make a difference? HOW does it make a difference? Would you buy it again? Thanks!!

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Anyone have any experience with this? $400 plus install plus DYNO tune?
This initial thread is pretty old so I'm hoping to revive it and get some feedback from folks.

I'm debating whether to get the Smart Tune Pro auto tuning module for my 2017 Road Glide Special. My bike has the SE Pro Street Tuner and a Stage IV kit with a Ventilator air cleaner and Rinehart Slimline full exhaust system. I primarily ride this bike on day trips and for longer road trips (one of which will be 1500 miles to Sturgis this year) Most of these rides typically include pretty substantial altitude changes. Heck, we have a mountain here in Tucson that we all ride up all summer long--Mt. Lemmon. It goes from 2500' to 8500' in 25 miles and (thankfully) the temps in the summer go from 110 at the base to 75 at the top. So lots of changes for my engine.

So I'm really curious to hear from those who have the auto tuning module. Does it make a difference? HOW does it make a difference? Would you buy it again? Thanks!!
I’d be interested in this also. I’ve got the same problem from Denver to...anywhere really.
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This initial thread is pretty old so I'm hoping to revive it and get some feedback from folks.

I'm debating whether to get the Smart Tune Pro auto tuning module for my 2017 Road Glide Special. My bike has the SE Pro Street Tuner and a Stage IV kit with a Ventilator air cleaner and Rinehart Slimline full exhaust system. I primarily ride this bike on day trips and for longer road trips (one of which will be 1500 miles to Sturgis this year) Most of these rides typically include pretty substantial altitude changes. Heck, we have a mountain here in Tucson that we all ride up all summer long--Mt. Lemmon. It goes from 2500' to 8500' in 25 miles and (thankfully) the temps in the summer go from 110 at the base to 75 at the top. So lots of changes for my engine.

So I'm really curious to hear from those who have the auto tuning module. Does it make a difference? HOW does it make a difference? Would you buy it again? Thanks!!
With the type of elevation changes you just described I would say you are a prime candidate for the STP. I've heard good things about the STP from guys that want to possibly keep from having any warranty issues but needed an extra bit of fine tuning due to they type of exhaust they were using or the guy that rides in different elevations like you just described. There have been some that didn't have great luck with it but overall it's been good and I think it's better than having the Street Tuner alone in your situation. The one thing I would say is BS is that the dealer is saying they need to do a Dyno tune.

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With the type of elevation changes you just described I would say you are a prime candidate for the STP. I've heard good things about the STP from guys that want to possibly keep from having any warranty issues but needed an extra bit of fine tuning due to they type of exhaust they were using or the guy that rides in different elevations like you just described. There have been some that didn't have great luck with it but overall it's been good and I think it's better than having the Street Tuner alone in your situation. The one thing I would say is BS is that the dealer is saying they need to do a Dyno tune.
I agree with this for the most part, but I'll go so far as to say that a dyno tune does more to get the motor running at it's most efficient much faster than getting it there via the "autotune" function. Could you do it without a dyno? Sure. But it's a valuable service if you go that route.

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I agree with this for the most part, but I'll go so far as to say that a dyno tune does more to get the motor running at it's most efficient much faster than getting it there via the "autotune" function. Could you do it without a dyno? Sure. But it's a valuable service if you go that route.
We are talking about the Street Tuner here and not one of the better tuners. It is my understanding that dealerships just load the MoCo's base MAPs and do a Smart Tune on the Dyno anyway. That is not a real detailed Dyno tune like you would get with a real good Dyno guy and a good device. You are limited with the SE Street Tuner and that is the only reason I said what I said. Although I do believe that the PV with Target Tune and the TMax can do just as good if not better than most of the techs in the dealership, and that's not a slam on the techs.

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Also, I know techs that do what I just said out on the street because their shop doesn't have a dyno and they actually do a good job.

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We are talking about the Street Tuner here and not one of the better tuners. It is my understanding that dealerships just load the MoCo's base MAPs and do a Smart Tune on the Dyno anyway. That is not a real detailed Dyno tune like you would get with a real good Dyno guy and a good device. You are limited with the SE Street Tuner and that is the only reason I said what I said. Although I do believe that the PV with Target Tune and the TMax can do just as good if not better than most of the techs in the dealership, and that's not a slam on the techs.
Like anything else in a tuning discussion, the equipment is only as good as the guy operating it. Dyno operators are plentiful, folks who know how to do a true tune aren't. While it's true the Pro Street tuner offers limited adjustability, a pro street tuner with an auto tuning module allows a little more flexibility (all within the limits of EPA restrictions of course), but again, it's only as good as the guy doing the work. I really feel like a lot of people think a "tune" consists of downloading the canned map and letting the auto tuner do all the work. You'll get where you need to be that way eventually, but the extra money spent on someone properly dyno tuning a motor saves a lot of time, and potentially saves money spent down the road.

And if the following is the case...[quote=RGKen]Also, I know techs that do what I just said out on the street because their shop doesn't have a dyno and they actually do a good job.[quote] Then THAT is the last place you should be doing business with, either as a customer or as a professional in the field. If they're calling it a dyno tune, and charging for a dyno tune, then doing this, that's dishonest as fuck in my opinion. I guess it's all in how you sell it.

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Like anything else in a tuning discussion, the equipment is only as good as the guy operating it. Dyno operators are plentiful, folks who know how to do a true tune aren't.
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While it's true the Pro Street tuner offers limited adjustability, a pro street tuner with an auto tuning module allows a little more flexibility (all within the limits of EPA restrictions of course), but again, it's only as good as the guy doing the work.
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I really feel like a lot of people think a "tune" consists of downloading the canned map and letting the auto tuner do all the work.
Well people think that because that is what technology is turning it into. Buy a performance kit from Fuel Moto and a tuner and they will supply you with one of their base MAPs and you can either just run it or do a few auto-tune sessions to help make it better for your bike.

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You'll get where you need to be that way eventually, but the extra money spent on someone properly dyno tuning a motor saves a lot of time, and potentially saves money spent down the road.
Now weather or not this is better with a tech all depends on what you mentioned above. But I agree.

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And if the following is the case...Also, I know techs that do what I just said out on the street because their shop doesn't have a dyno and they actually do a good job. Then THAT is the last place you should be doing business with, either as a customer or as a professional in the field. If they're calling it a dyno tune, and charging for a dyno tune, then doing this, that's dishonest as fuck in my opinion. I guess it's all in how you sell it.
Well I never said they were charging for a Dyno tune and from what I know of they are only charging for the work they are doing. Some folks are just not computer savvy and don't have other choices than what they have and if it works then I guess it is what it is. I agree that it should not be a first choice or even a choice if you have other options. I have a feeling you and I aren't too far off if we were to sit down and discuss this face to face.
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So I would like to know more about the down and dirty on how well the auto tuner will work with aftermarket parts. I just bought my 2015 CVO RGU and am having the 117" kit installed along with V&H Power Duals along with Khrome Werks mufflers.

I'm reading on some posts that the SEPST & Auto Tuner will ONLY work with Harley parts due to EPA restrictions. If that is the case that is fine and I just need to cancel the order for the tuners and get a ThunderMax or Power Vision. I know down the road one of the other tuners would be the better option but the dealer pushed for me to get the SEPST for warranty with the ESP. They are also the ones who suggested the V&H and KW cans.

So will the tuner work with the aftermarket parts or am I going to run into issues with it?

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