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post #1 of 55 (permalink) Old 05-10-2013, 01:07 PM Thread Starter
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Tuner for dummies

So I was told that I need to get a tuner for my bike after I add the dragulas exhaust and the heavy breather intake. I have no idea about tuners but I see there is a wide variety of them and the prices vary a lot. I have been doing some reading on here and also talked to Frank since he is the person I am getting my exhaust from. I see a lot of people recommend the Tmax and I see it is quite pricey compared to others. Why is that one so expensive, what features does it have that others do not? I know Frank said he has other options but I forgot to ask him (I know he is SUPER busy so don't want to keep bugging him). Any other good recommendations out there? I know eventually I want to add cams and dont want to have to buy another tuner when I want to do that. Trying to not have to buy things twice you know...

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post #2 of 55 (permalink) Old 05-10-2013, 01:10 PM
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I recommend a power vision. User friendly, and if you buy from fuel moto, you have lifetime map support no matter what changes you make.

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+1 on power vision from Jamie at fuel moto.


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I hope some of you guys can explain the difference with ease of future use in mind for all of us newbs... I am in the same boat as OP and I keep reading older threads but get more confused....not to hijack his thread but I would like something that does not have to dynoed or require additional work. Please someone explain this and keep in mind I am complety ignorant on this...hopefully can help me and the OP at same time!!!! Thanks
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Power Vision here also. Simple 30 seconds to load tune. Easy to transfer tunes from your computer to the unit.

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My experience and what i think i know.
(I ran my bike stock for the first year)
Bike ran very hot because of the lean AFR from the factory to comply with EPA emissions.
Wanting a little more grunt, i put on slip and did nothing else until i could afford the pieces i wanted. Bike ran the same as stock.

I got a Ness Sucker AC, and still ran the stock exhaust.
bike still ran hot and lean
When i got a new full exhaust, i also purchased a Power Commander V, with a downloaded map from Fuel Moto. Bike ran ok, but still hot because i did not have it dyno tuned, and was just a downloaded map from a dyno done on someone elses bike with similar AC and exhaust set up.
I changed maps a few times until i could be somewhat satisfied.
i recently added cams and a 107 kit, and had it dyno tuned. Bike has never ran better.
moral of my story is, a good Dyno tune is the only way to go if you want your bike to run good, and in order to Dyno tune your bike, you need a tuner to be able to modify the ECM. if you change exhaust and Air Cleaner, your bike will get you down the road just fine. But it wont run good. They dont run good stock from the factory.


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I can't comment on the PV, I have a Tmax and can tell you it is has the ability to adjust more that you can imagine, not that it's necessary, but just about anything you do can be handled without paying to dyno. I was in the same boat as you are but as I have worked with it and Tmax technical support, become more and more confident using it to improve my bike's tune.

Take a few minutes and peruse these links, one is the product features, the other is videos showing how to use it; there are people you can call or email as well. New features added are being able to make changes without being linked via a laptop, up to 5 maps can be loaded and switched, you can change the idle speed and you can calibrate the speedometer. I didn't even know about these until looking for something else on their website this afternoon. Nevermind the price on their site, its just the suggested list. It is sold for less.

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i recently added cams and a 107 kit, and had it dyno tuned. Bike has never ran better.
moral of my story is, a good Dyno tune is the only way to go if you want your bike to run good, and in order to Dyno tune your bike, you need a tuner to be able to modify the ECM. if you change exhaust and Air Cleaner, your bike will get you down the road just fine. But it wont run good. They dont run good stock from the factory.[/url]
a TTS and knowledgeable dyno tuner I believe is the all around best...
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Vote for the PV-1 too. Easy to use and very easy to do a Auto Tune if needed. Fuelmoto has done all the work on the maps so it not necessary to get it dyno'd unless you really want to fine tune it! Like to hear from others who have had it dyno'd and did it make a huge difference.

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Power vision / fuel moto

I am a failure at the computer . I was so proud the day my son said i could have one . After reading up on these tuners on this forum i decided on the power vision purchased at fuel moto because i knew i would have some issues with it. Sure enough they sent me a tune and it was good then i got stuck in traffic and it started pinging bad so i auto tuned it and dropped it on their lap and the sent me a tune that was really impressive. And down the line if there is any other problems it will be their problem . I also like that you can adjust the timing on the road for low octane fuel. Ask a lot of questions about the tuners out there and find the one that's right for you. There are no dumb questions.i also like that i don't have to leave it hooked up to the ecm unless you get the auto tune pro ( an extra $400). you can also use it on another bike for a fee. Also they have power vision how to videos , check them out.

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