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Harley Race tuner vs others?

Whats the difference between a Harley race runer and say a power commander or the vance and hines fuel tuner? I am so confused and frustrated about what to go with on my setup. the dealer says only go with theirs, Vance and hines theirs... etc...
Its just overwhelming. I plan on keeping the bike for a while. I have a 010 RGC and am trying to figure out what I wanna do with the exhaust and intake...

Im almost to the point of just throwing a slip-on on the bike and keeping my
$1500 that its gonna cost me to change it over to duals. Can someone pleeeease help!

I can see going with the harley Race tuner because they should know their own bike im guessin... but if i dont have to spend the 500$ for it i would rather not.



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Whats the difference between a Harley race runer and say a power commander or the vance and hines fuel tuner? I am so confused and frustrated about what to go with on my setup. the dealer says only go with theirs, Vance and hines theirs... etc...
Its just overwhelming. I plan on keeping the bike for a while. I have a 010 RGC and am trying to figure out what I wanna do with the exhaust and intake...

Im almost to the point of just throwing a slip-on on the bike and keeping my
$1500 that its gonna cost me to change it over to duals. Can someone pleeeease help!

I can see going with the harley Race tuner because they should know their own bike im guessin... but if i dont have to spend the 500$ for it i would rather not.



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Vance & Hines will only add or take away fuel and utilizes o2 sensors. Pretty easy to plug in the numbers for your set up.
Pwr Cmdr will do the same but will also adjust timing, fuel to each cyl and does not utilize o2 sensors. Maps are available for your set up which you upload into the Pwr Cmdr from your computer.
SERT or SEST will do the same as Pwr Cmdr but utilizes o2 sensers and is not add on hardware, programs directly into you ECM.
Much more to it than what I mentioned but that's the basics. People will debate tuners until they're blue in the face. Personally I like Power Commanders and I just ordered one from Fuelmoto. I have a fuelpak for '09 and 2010 touring for sale loaded with the correct numbers for your bike. If interested send me a pm.
SERT, SEST, Pwr Cmdr can be dyno tuned if you want to spend the money. Fuelpak cannot be dyno tuned. Fuelpak is the cheapest way to go and your bike will perform pretty well with it.
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Does one or the other have any impact on the longevity of the engine?
 
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I prefer the Power Commander as well, but that's because I do tuning and the Power Commander is really more for those who like to do some tweaking around.

If you're looking for plug it in and forget it, I'd go with the Fuel Pak. It's easy and V&H has good support.

To my knowledge, they all disable the O2s, the Power Commander has you actually unplug the sensors, and the Fuel Pak just turns them off in the calibration.

Now, something else to consider..... if you want the ULTIMATE setup, get the Power Commander, and get the Auto Tune upgrade for it. The Auto Tune upgrade adds wide band O2s into the exhaust and the computer makes actual, accurate fuel adjustments in real time. BUT, keep in mind that the 2010 exhaust uses these new little O2s. So if you plan to get the auto tune setup, I suggest getting the 09 dual pipe setup, so that you can just put the wide band O2s into the stock locations. Or if you're going to use a brand other than V&H, make sure they come with the large O2 bungs.

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Does one or the other have any impact on the longevity of the engine?
Not that I am aware of. All of them will richen your mixture which if anything will help your engine because making it richer will make it run cooler. They come from the factory pretty lean to pass EPA regulations.

Fuelpak: cheap, used $150 or less. make your engine run cooler and smoother.

Pwr Cmdr PCV: $299 + $12.95 shipping from fuelmoto with the correct map for your set up.

Pwr Cmdr +auto tune: About $600.

SEST: About $400 from a dealer + about $100 installation. Plus if you make any changes, pipes, air cleaner, etc. it's back to the dealer and give 'em more money.

TTS: Abour $425 + $69 for a USB cable and it's about like the SEST but it's a do-it-yourself.

Guys spend a ton of money on tuners and I'd venture to say 99% of them will never see a drag strip.
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Not that I am aware of. All of them will richen your mixture which if anything will help your engine because making it richer will make it run cooler. They come from the factory pretty lean to pass EPA regulations.

Fuelpak: cheap, used $150 or less. make your engine run cooler and smoother.

Pwr Cmdr PCV: $299 + $12.95 shipping from fuelmoto with the correct map for your set up.

Pwr Cmdr +auto tune: About $600.

SEST: About $400 from a dealer + about $100 installation. Plus if you make any changes, pipes, air cleaner, etc. it's back to the dealer and give 'em more money.

TTS: Abour $425 + $69 for a USB cable and it's about like the SEST but it's a do-it-yourself.

Guys spend a ton of money on tuners and I'd venture to say 99% of them will never see a drag strip.
I have the Power Commander V with Auto tune. The beauty of it is, if you make future changes to the engine or exhaust you can download a new map for your mods. Ride the bike for for a few hours and the auto tune will make fine adjustments on the fly to keep your engine running properly. No need to have to pay a dealer to dyno tune it for you


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I have the Power Commander V with Auto tune. The beauty of it is, if you make future changes to the engine or exhaust you can download a new map for your mods. Ride the bike for for a few hours and the auto tune will make fine adjustments on the fly to keep your engine running properly. No need to have to pay a dealer to dyno tune it for you
How much you have to give for that auto tune?
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Does the manufacturers have more than just the maps that they post on the website? Or do you just have to find a combo that is close to what you are runnin?
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I went with the Zippers ThunderMax autotune, and I hear great things about the TTS.

I pulled my SERT because I couldn't find a decent tuner within a few hundred miles. Local yocal did over 100 runs on the bike and still wasn't there. Were talking $$$$$$$$

I Installed the T-Max (peace of cake in a couple of hours), loaded the basemap and started riding. You just pick a combo that is close to yours. That's it, no muss no fuss no beating the bike to death on the dyno. great mileage, good power, happy owner. Like has been mentioned before, if I change pipes or do more head work, I can load a new map or if its close, just let it learn.

If you want to go with a tuner, talk to lots of local guys. If there is a competent tuner in your area go with what they like to use. jmo


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Does the manufacturers have more than just the maps that they post on the website? Or do you just have to find a combo that is close to what you are runnin?
Mfgrs usually only have what is posted.
Some retailers, fullsac, fulemoto actually might have more than the mfgrs.
Fuelpak have more than what is posted. Send them an email with what you have and they'll send you the numbers to manually put in.
That's why people get dyno tunes. With a dyno tune you have a map that exactly matches your bike. Problem is alot of dyno tunes are not done by competant people and you might spend $250 and up and wind up with a bad tune.
Is your RGC stock? What upgrades do you plan on? If you just want pipes with the stock a/c you really don't need a tuner. Once you get the high flow air cleaner you will need a tuner. Or, with just pipes and a/c you could get a stage 1 download from your dealer for about $150. Dealers want your money and 99% say their product is the best which is not always true. In my opinion the best tuner on the market is TTS. It works like the pwr cmdr with autotune but puts everything in the ECM. Like I said it's a do-it-yourself deal and probably intimidating to alot of folks.
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