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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 12-11-2013, 09:42 PM Thread Starter
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New to Road Tech GPS. ????

Just received an early Christmas gift from the wife in the form of a Road Tech 660 GPS. I'm new to all this so I apologize up front for all the questions.

I just tried syncing it up with ride planner and experienced a few issues. When I sync the route and then look at it on my gps, 1. I get different routing than the route in the ride planner. 2. If I have multiple stops, it downloads as different trips, not 1 route with multiple stops. Is this normal?

Seems kinda pointless to plan a ride on the ride planner if it's just gonna change it on the gps.

Any help would be appreciated.
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Welcome to Ride Planner. You have discovered the basic "features." Everything you reported is "normal."

1. You should understand that Ride Planner transfers points (start, stop, waypoints) to the GPS. It doesn't transfer the line of the route. The GPS computes the route from point to point using its own algorithm and map set. The math and the maps may not generate the same route you see in Ride Planner.

2. Ride Planner creates a separate route for each stop-to-stop segment. That's crazy, but that's the way it works. To get around this limitation, create your route with one start and one stop. To add additional turn or stopping points, r-click and Add Waypoint. You can add as many waypoints as you want.

3. Zoom way in when you add a waypoint and make sure it is on the road, not in the grass beside the road. Also, make sure it is on the lane going in the direction you want to go. If the waypoint isn't in exactly the right spot, your GPS will tell you to turn, go around the block, make a U-turn, or "navigate off-road."

4. If you want your GPS to follow the same path as the one you set up in Ride Planner, you have to put in more waypoints so the GPS calculation of the route matches Ride Planner's route.

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Welcome to Ride Planner. You have discovered the basic "features." Everything you reported is "normal."

1. You should understand that Ride Planner transfers points (start, stop, waypoints) to the GPS. It doesn't transfer the line of the route. The GPS computes the route from point to point using its own algorithm and map set. The math and the maps may not generate the same route you see in Ride Planner.

2. Ride Planner creates a separate route for each stop-to-stop segment. That's crazy, but that's the way it works. To get around this limitation, create your route with one start and one stop. To add additional turn or stopping points, r-click and Add Waypoint. You can add as many waypoints as you want.

3. Zoom way in when you add a waypoint and make sure it is on the road, not in the grass beside the road. Also, make sure it is on the lane going in the direction you want to go. If the waypoint isn't in exactly the right spot, your GPS will tell you to turn, go around the block, make a U-turn, or "navigate off-road."

4. If you want your GPS to follow the same path as the one you set up in Ride Planner, you have to put in more waypoints so the GPS calculation of the route matches Ride Planner's route.
Thanks for the response. Very informative. Seems a bit odd to do things that way. You would figure that spending $600 on a GPS unit would ensure "user friendliness". Guess not...

I actually called HOG and reported my issue to them. They said they would do some research and get back to me.

My father uses the 550 and said his downloaded as 1 route with various stops up until 2 weeks ago and he's been using his for a few years. So it seems that something isn't right.

I'll wait to see what HOG says when they respond.


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3. Zoom way in when you add a waypoint and make sure it is on the road, not in the grass beside the road. Also, make sure it is on the lane going in the direction you want to go. If the waypoint isn't in exactly the right spot, your GPS will tell you to turn, go around the block, make a U-turn, or "navigate off-road."
Anybody remember the first Gypsy Tour, where Chris tried to lead us down a genuine creek bed???

One other thing you can do is set a preference to avoid gravel roads. Garmin does not care that you are on a bike, it will still route you on a gravel road unless you tell it not to.

Also, Google Maps now supports exporting to Garmin GPS's. I am not sure what they (HD) are doing with Ride Planner, but I tend to stick with Google these days. Seems most of the Harley Dealers no longer show up in RP. The same rules above still apply to Google Maps.
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You would figure that spending $600 on a GPS unit would ensure "user friendliness". Guess not...

My father uses the 550 and said his downloaded as 1 route with various stops up until 2 weeks ago and he's been using his for a few years. So it seems that something isn't right.

I'll wait to see what HOG says when they respond.


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There is no connection between Ride Planner and the Road Tech products. Harley had someone write Ride Planner for HOG and had Garmin modify the Zumo and re-label it for Road Tech. Ride Planner will export to most any GPS.

I have both a Road Tech 665 and a Zumo 550. Ride Planner has never exported multiple stops as one route to either of my devices.

Just work with Ride Planner within the constraints I outlined and you will get excellent results. Once you are familiar with the techniques you will find it very easy to use.

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If you know how to edit an XML file, you can export a multi-stop route to a gpx file, edit the file, and end up with one route with multiple stops. I think I posted how to do it. You need a good xml editor and good computer skills to do it. ( The gpx file contains xml). I have done it, but I find it much quicker to enter one start, one stop, and many, many waypoints.

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Try Garmin Basecamp. It's a pain to learn, but much more powerful than ride planner, and transfers the route too. If you create a route in Basecamp, you can transfer it to the Zumo and it doesn't recalculate


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Try Garmin Basecamp. It's a pain to learn, but much more powerful than ride planner, and transfers the route too. If you create a route in Basecamp, you can transfer it to the Zumo and it doesn't recalculate
Just updated software for base camp there some how to video's so I will give it one final try. If I still cannot get anywhere with it I'll use FXD's method. As mentioned these things should be easy to use for the price a bit more R&D Garmin for the user would be good.


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Try Garmin Basecamp. It's a pain to learn, but much more powerful than ride planner, and transfers the route too. If you create a route in Basecamp, you can transfer it to the Zumo and it doesn't recalculate
I'll give it a go. I tried BaseCamp previously and uninstalled it within 10 minutes.


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I've been using Basecamp for a while now. Once you figure out how it works it's very useful and easy to upload routes to your GPS. You have to stick with it. Don't give up, once it clicks in your brain it will be your go to mapping software. I've finally figured out how to save routes and waypoints into folders on Basecamp so I can quickly get to them. I do all the GPS routing for my husband and me.


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I've been using Basecamp for a while now. Once you figure out how it works it's very useful and easy to upload routes to your GPS. You have to stick with it. Don't give up, once it clicks in your brain it will be your go to mapping software. I've finally figured out how to save routes and waypoints into folders on Basecamp so I can quickly get to them. I do all the GPS routing for my husband and me.


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I took the advice of a few, including yourself, and reinstalled BaseCamp. I went on YouTube and watched a few tutorial videos and I can now say I prefer BaseCamp over Ride Planner.

As stated, once you learn the ins and outs, it's very easy to accomplish your goals. And it downloads ride to the GPS just as you planned it with stops in between.

Thanks for the advice!


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