Compensator and Tensioner - Road Glide Forums
Engine Related Engine Builds and more for Road Glides

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 06-04-2014, 11:53 AM Thread Starter
Hangaround
 
rustyj671's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: NW Louisiana
Posts: 186
Garage
Compensator and Tensioner

I want to know if anyone that changed from the SE Tensioner to the Hayden has had compensator issues.

The reason I'm inquiring is because I changed from the stock (2012) to the Hayden for fear of the inner primary bearing going bad. Now I've put about 5000 miles on the Hayden and it still whines. Also, I'm now starting to hear compensator noise upon start up and when giving it throttle to start moving.

I haven't pulled the primary cover off yet to determine WTF, but I can pretty much imagine what I'm going to find.

I'm also considering going to the Baker manual tensioner to get rid of the chain whine. ($200)

Or the SOHOT: http://www.sohotbikes.com/wedge.html ($95)

Or the SE Pro Manual Adjuster (PN 36500020) ($150 (or $130 at Surdyke))


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
'12 FLTRX ==> PV w/ TT, PM Super Gas A/C, Dragos 580 cams, Fullsac DX pipe and 2" baffles in stock muffs, 18" Badseed bars, Custom Dynamics lighting, Dunlop AE tires, Aquatic Audio, JL Audio amp, Polk speakers, Progressive Monotubes, Alloy Art Stabilizer and Cush Drive, GMR Compensaver on SE compensator, Rush Cycle Pedic seat....all thanks to this forum.

Last edited by rustyj671; 06-04-2014 at 02:17 PM.
rustyj671 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 17 (permalink) Old 06-04-2014, 12:01 PM
Life Member
 
rlaf75's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: East Hartford CT
Posts: 7,194
Now that you mention it, I'm starting to get the same thing upon gasing it from a stop. I put the SE comp in about 2 years ago and I just did the Hayden tensioner about 2 months ago. I'm not getting any whining but it does sound like the comp is making noise.

09 Mirage Orange Pearl

Some people just need a high-five. In the head. With a chair
rlaf75 is offline  
post #3 of 17 (permalink) Old 06-04-2014, 01:19 PM
Life Member
 
Triplej's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Nevada, TX
Posts: 5,434
I recently installed the Hayden Tensioner on my 2012 Ultra. I seemed way to tight when installed and only had 1/4" gap instead of the 3/8" gap as shown in the installation instructions.

I contacted Hayden with my concerns about it being to tight and was assured and according to them all was good and normal with my install and after 300-400 miles my shoe would seat in with the chain and the gap would increase to the 3/8" spec.

Well she whined (whirled) more than I expected and again was assured it would quiet down and loosen up after a break in period of a few hundred miles.

Approximately 2,500 miles later and the whirling noise never went away. At this point Hayden stopped returning my messages for awhile, longer than I cared for at least.

I pulled the primary cover and removed the Hayden Tensioner and found what I would consider excessive amount of wear in the shoe especially when you compare it to the original HD tensioner shoe that had almost 30K on it.

Here is the Hayden with approx. 2500 miles



Here is the stock unit with almost 30K



Which one is to tight??

I contacted Hayden and sent them the pictures, explained once again my concerns about the chain now being to tight using their product and asked for a refund of my purchase price or at the very least replacement springs and a new shoe. Below is the reply I received form Hayden after making numerous attempts.

"Hello John
We're sorry for the inconvenience you have experienced. I will
certainly be sending you both a replacement shoe and set of springs. You
have done everything correct in installing your M6BT07 on your bike. The
only other option you might have had is to remove the inner spring and
loosen up the tension just a little. You would then only need to be
aware of your mileage as to when you would need to add the inner spring.
While this is not the preferred install, we have had some customers
report to us it helps.

I will be putting the replacement parts in the mail in the morning to
the address listed below. And again we apologize for the issue.

Hayden Enterprises"

For grins I put only the outer spring back in as suggested and then bottomed out the shoe using vise grips. As you can see in the pictures the spring bottoms out before the shoe even hits the plate leaving a gap of slightly less than 1/8". That means that with the original 1/4" gap that Hayden states is normal and fine there is only about and 1/8" of movement before the spring bottoms out and there is absolutely ZERO play in the primary chain. That can't work. What happens when the primary heats up and things expand?

Even using just the one spring as now suggested is not going to fix the issue.





I can appreciate them replacing my parts. What I have a problem with is that they are choosing to stick their heads in the sand and act like there is not an issue with installing this newly designed tensioner on some newer model year bikes. I simple online search will bring up similar results with the Hayden Tensioner and no official statement from Hayden on the problem or fix for it.

I have pulled the Hayden Unit and MAY try it in the better half's 08 model and see if it is a better fit for her bike. It will not be going back in mine, no way no how.

For now I will run the stock tensioner and am considering modifying it by welding it in place so it cannot over tighten the primary chain. There are some threads on the HHT site explaining that modification if your interested.

I believe Hayden has a great product that works for the majority but if you have a newer bike you may want to take a closer look before jumping in the water. And yes, the whirling has decreased since going back to the Stock Tensioner.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Last edited by Triplej; 06-04-2014 at 01:22 PM.
Triplej is offline  
 
post #4 of 17 (permalink) Old 06-04-2014, 01:42 PM
Life Member
 
RGKen's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Jax, FL
Posts: 3,961
Garage
Triplej,

Good write-up. Honest and to the point. I will most likely go with the SE manual one since I still have extended warranty.

2018 FLTRXS
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
RGKen is offline  
post #5 of 17 (permalink) Old 06-04-2014, 02:14 PM Thread Starter
Hangaround
 
rustyj671's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: NW Louisiana
Posts: 186
Garage
Excellent write up and thanks for taking the time to explain in full detail. I intended to pull the cover off this past weekend for a visual, but did not find the time. Additionally, I wanted to do more reading on the subject and evaluate all courses of action.

Since then, I have read threads concerning all of the tensioners in question. All of them have their drawbacks including the Baker. I have not, however, run across any mention of removing the inner spring on the Hayden and this may be the most viable option for me at this time and considerably less expensive.

Have you experienced any compensator noise?


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
'12 FLTRX ==> PV w/ TT, PM Super Gas A/C, Dragos 580 cams, Fullsac DX pipe and 2" baffles in stock muffs, 18" Badseed bars, Custom Dynamics lighting, Dunlop AE tires, Aquatic Audio, JL Audio amp, Polk speakers, Progressive Monotubes, Alloy Art Stabilizer and Cush Drive, GMR Compensaver on SE compensator, Rush Cycle Pedic seat....all thanks to this forum.

Last edited by rustyj671; 06-04-2014 at 11:02 PM.
rustyj671 is offline  
post #6 of 17 (permalink) Old 06-04-2014, 02:27 PM
Life Member
 
Triplej's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Nevada, TX
Posts: 5,434
Quote:
Originally Posted by rustyj671 View Post
Excellent write up and thanks for taking the time to explain in full detail. I intended to pull the cover off this past weekend for a visual, but did not find the time. Additionally, I wanted to do more reading on the subject and evaluate all courses of action.

Since then, I have read threads concerning all of the tensioners in question. All of them have their drawbacks including the Baker. I have not, however, run across any mention of removing the inner spring on the Hayden and this may be the most viable option for me at this time and considerable less expensive.

Have you experienced any compensator noise?
I have not had any comp noise that concerns me, only the louder than expected whirling that would not go away.

I would be careful thinking that just using the outer spring will cure the problem. I agree it will loosen up the initial tension on the chain using just the one spring but that still won't increase the amount of travel and I don't believe there is enough travel with the newly designed tensioner to do its job without bottoming out when the primary heats up.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Triplej is offline  
post #7 of 17 (permalink) Old 06-04-2014, 02:30 PM Thread Starter
Hangaround
 
rustyj671's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: NW Louisiana
Posts: 186
Garage
A post from HTT yesterday concerning the Baker:

Re: Primary experiment??
« Reply #35 on: Yesterday at 09:51:22 AM »Quote just had harley replace the comp under extended warranty put around 1500 miles on it and no noise at all

went back to stock adjuster

my baker broke and I sent in to them 1st class they said it never arrived sent them pictures of the adjuster where it broke and they said sorry I see it's broke but won't do anything that sucks last time for baker products rage off


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
'12 FLTRX ==> PV w/ TT, PM Super Gas A/C, Dragos 580 cams, Fullsac DX pipe and 2" baffles in stock muffs, 18" Badseed bars, Custom Dynamics lighting, Dunlop AE tires, Aquatic Audio, JL Audio amp, Polk speakers, Progressive Monotubes, Alloy Art Stabilizer and Cush Drive, GMR Compensaver on SE compensator, Rush Cycle Pedic seat....all thanks to this forum.
rustyj671 is offline  
post #8 of 17 (permalink) Old 06-04-2014, 02:32 PM
Life Member
 
ironmark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 6,528
The MOCO attempt at curing the compensator problem in its 3rd phase
The stock compensator on the 96 and 103 engines were JUNK and HD only cure was the SE compensator upgrade which in most cases the owner of the bike would have to pay for the extra cost to upgrade to the SE compensator.
Than in 2011 HD put the SE compensator in the bikes as OEM equipment but then the MOCO realized that even though the SE compensator was better than the original compensator it still had problems with proper oiling which leads to compensator failure ( I am on SE compensator #2).
Now in 2014 the MOCO changed the compensator again to fix the oiling issues and the jury is still out on this upgrade.
So if the compensator goes bad on the bike I would find it hard to put the blame on the primary chain tensioners no matter which one is in the bike.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
08 FLTR candy red sunglo,with 2015 103 HO, V&H Dresser Duals with Monster Rounds, Power Vision tuner, Willy Shiny Wheels and Forks and a bunch of other stuff.
ironmark is offline  
post #9 of 17 (permalink) Old 06-04-2014, 05:03 PM
Administrator
 
dbell66253's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: South Florida
Posts: 12,286
Garage
I have a Hayden that I bought last year in June and was going to install it before SWIII but didn't get a chance, it seems like everytime I get ready to install it, I read a thread like this that makes me second guess it.

2010 FLTRX With Plenty of extras, goes by the name "Hardeshia"
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Also not pictured 2016 FLTRXS and 2017 FLTRXS, you never can have too many SHARKS......
dbell66253 is offline  
post #10 of 17 (permalink) Old 06-04-2014, 07:43 PM
Life Member
 
Ohiobellboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Canton, oHIo
Posts: 4,789
I've got about 600 miles on mine and it did seem really tight when I first put it in. Now I'm getting some strange noises out of the primary sometimes when shutting down or starting up. I may go back to the stock one and take it as a lessen learned. Might not be a bad idea for bikes that have a bit more slop in the chain But I'd rather not trash something inside and my ESP deny coverage because of it.

A.K.A OBB
Check out the Ohio Glide Riders community page:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Ohiobellboy is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Road Glide Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
New Compensator or Compensator eliminator mrmoto95 Engine Related 11 03-28-2018 08:10 PM
Hydraulic chain cam tensioner kit ohd24 Engine Related 7 06-30-2012 08:24 AM
Chain tensioner Jerry W. Engine Related 4 06-29-2012 09:09 PM
tensioner cams speedbug Troubleshooting for Road Glides 9 06-13-2012 04:25 AM
Cam chain tensioner question SKULLZ *General Road Glide Discussions/Pictures 5 05-14-2011 03:29 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome