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S&S vs Dragos Rebuild - Need advice

So, I'm going to have to do something with my motor this winter. It's eating lifters (4 sets in 34K miles and it needs another set) and it's using a bit of oil. I've been going over several options and looking for guidance.

I talked to Frank today and he was a big help. I'm leaning toward simply trailering the bike up there and letting him go through it. However, he's a long way away (700 miles). My other option I'm considering is an S&S 111 or 124. I could get that locally. So, for roughly the same budget, here are my options:

Option 1: Frank would do the Diablo 106 kit; the lower end would be taken care of (crank/bearings/etc). New pistons, cylinders, AIM clutch, Frank's 580 cam... etc. I know it would be done right. I'd have to trailer the bike up there and drop it off. Drive home and return to pick it up in a few weeks.

Option 2: S&S T111 or T124 crate motor. I could get this locally. All in, this option would cost a little more up front, but then I wouldn't have the expense of 2 1400 mile round trips, so it would probably be a wash. The drawbacks in my mind are 1) My local indy seems ok, but he doesn't do any tuning and 2) there are no tuners here that I've heard much good about.

For now, I'm planning to put yet another set of lifters in the bike just to get me through the rest of the riding season. I've already got the parts on order and I'm planning to do it this weekend.

Opinions, thoughts, more options?


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You're right the expense of hauling a trailer 1400 miles is not insignificant. Maybe ask Frank if he could do an exchange. If he had a built Twin Cam ready to go, you could probably get it swapped out in one trip.

While the S&S crate motor is attractive, I agree the lack of tuners is a problem. What device do you use? Maybe S&S will provide a tune with the purchase of the motor.

You could also check out GMR in Ft Worth. They're highly recommended on other boards and only about 5 hours from you.
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S&S 124 crate motor. That's what I went with. You get a 1 year warranty from a company that stands behind their product.

I built two 107's and wasn't happy with the results. I got tired of chasing numbers and picked up the phone and called my buddy's shop.

I got it in 9 days. I went with a 124lc and I couldn't be happier. I haven't got it tuned yet. I'm running a canned map the auto tune and this thing flat out runs. I'm thrilled. And at the end it wasn't that expensive. I got a warranty and piece of mind.




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You're right the expense of hauling a trailer 1400 miles is not insignificant. Maybe ask Frank if he could do an exchange. If he had a built Twin Cam ready to go, you could probably get it swapped out in one trip.

While the S&S crate motor is attractive, I agree the lack of tuners is a problem. What device do you use? Maybe S&S will provide a tune with the purchase of the motor.

You could also check out GMR in Ft Worth. They're highly recommended on other boards and only about 5 hours from you.
Thanks Redbeard. I'm using a Power Vision for a tuner. I'm actually also considering GMR, or VTwin Solutions (Loyd) in Allen TX as well. I've talked to both of them and they recommend a big inch build (113 or 117), but that comes with a bigger budget too. They are definitely options as well.


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S&S 124 crate motor. That's what I went with. You get a 1 year warranty from a company that stands behind their product. I'm not saying anything is wrong with dragos. Frank is a stand up guy. I have spent a good bit of money with him. I would use him over any other shop.-

I built two 107's and wasn't happy with the results. I got tired of chasing numbers and picked up the phone and called my buddy's shop.

I got it in 9 days. I went with a 124lc and I couldn't be happier. I haven't got it tuned yet. I'm running a canned map the auto tune and this thing flat out runs. I'm thrilled. And at the end it wasn't that expensive. I got a warranty and piece of mind.

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I have been down both roads with the Skunk (Frank did not build my motor though). This is what I will tell you, never again will I do a rebuild, especially with multiple vendors supplying different components. Everybody points the finger at everybody else.

S&S is one phone number ~ 124 1 year warranty unluess you purchase their throttle body and electronics, then it is a two year warranty.

I use a Power Vision, downloaded the map from S&S, bike ran great. I have tweaked the map with AT Pro.

The issue is I ended up spending more on my built 113 than the assembled 124. The 113 ran great for 36k when my Silver Moon Crank let go. Could be silver moons fault, could be feulings camplate/oil pump, could be the woods lifter, who knows. What I do know is I was not about to do a build again, drop in S&S 124, one phone number for a year. My instinct is if the 124 makes it a year (45-50k for me), It will probably be fine.

If you spec'd S&S's motor you would spend about 12k on parts alone. The assembled motor is a deal.

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well i would say 124 but if you dont have a tuner locally then up the build to a 117 and let Frank do it. In the long run you will be happier with a properly built and tuned bike. Not really sure where the 12k for parts came from, the 124 from S&S parts is only about 4300.00.. You will need to get a new TB or have one ported.

Another Option is Frank has bolt in motors as well..

I wouldnt waste your time with a shop that is recommended or doesnt tune. You have to know what they have done and go from there. Believe me I been down that road before. Franks builds have been proven and tested over and over.
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Thanks to all who've replied so far. I've followed all of your builds on the forum here and i respect your opinions. So... much appreciated.

The fact that y'all don't necessarily agree, ain't making this any easier.

How about if i add that what I'm really looking for is great, but not monster performance. More importantly, I'm looking for something that'll run solid for the next 50 to 75 thousand miles.

Does that change anyone's opinion?

Anyone else like to weigh in?


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How much oil are you burning??
If it isn't much than just get some good lifters and make sure your adjustable pushrods are adjusted right.
Everyone is going to suggest big money options but I am going to tell you how to do a rebuild CHEAP.
If you have basic mechanic ability all you will need is a HD service manual, basic hand tools and a 3/8 drive torque wrench and a 4 inch hose clamp (ring compressor).

Doing the disassembly/assembly yourself you pull the top end down and take the heads and cylinders to the local auto machine shop and they will bore the cylinders .010 over for a $100 and they will clean up your heads and grind the valves and valve seats for $100 you will have to provide the valve seals.
Contact a good parts source (I use PC Pain at Horny Toad HD) and buy a set of 103 .010 over pistons (pistons come with SS rings) for $250 and top end gaskets kit for $60 and put your top end back together.
You have around $500 +/- doing the top end yourself and it is a hell of a lot cheaper than the other options.
Of course any other components such as cams or lifters will bump the price up depending on the cost of those parts but it still will be under a $1000 for a complete top end rebuild if you put in new cams and lifters and if you do it right it will run great and not burn oil.
A top end is real easy to do and unless you are putting in a big HP build leave the lower end (crank) alone it will be fine.

Been there done that and this is a good way to save $$$.


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One thing we never talked about we build 124 crate engines with 1 year warranty from Dragos bike works.
Starting at 6250.00 with new cases don't need anything from old motor.
All the specs are in my vendor section.
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