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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 04-03-2016, 08:53 AM Thread Starter
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S&S premium adjustment

After playing with my crane cams lifters and learning all kinds of different valve train noises I am considering getting the S&S premiums. I have SE adjustable pushrods. how many turns down will make the premiums work? After playing with Chevy 350 lifters I can say I shouldn't have tried to cheap out on the lifters. Just a poor white boy in a cruel world trying to save a buck. Thanks for the help. NORM

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I believe with the Harley adjustables it is 4 full turns. If you get the S&S with limiters you do the same but after bleed down you then shorten 1 full turn. I'm sure some of the more qualified engine guys will chime in.

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Norm, you don't need to buy the premiums. The standards are quiet as a mouse. Are you sure you are chasing lifter noise?


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My SE pushrods non-taperd type said in the paper work 2.5 turns but I got some noise, called S&S they told me turn to 3.25 to 3.50 adjustment I did and all noise was gone, good luck.

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Norm, you don't need to buy the premiums. The standards are quiet as a mouse. Are you sure you are chasing lifter noise?


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I'm pretty sure. I've learned that with these lifters they bottom out at 3 turns and a flat. I had them down tight. A friend of mine who is a Harley tech told me to loosen them up a flat or two because it was making valve spring noise. That being said. I readjusted the whole thing again at 1 1/2 turns down or 6 flats. Now the lifters themselves are making the noise. It kind of reminds me of the noise I had when I ran roller rockers on a Boss 302 I built way back when AND there is still a slight tic but I think it's coming from the lifter. I'm thinking of taking all the heat shields off my pipes to make sure that's not the issue. I wish I could have my pipes ceramic coated. I'm not sure if that can be done once the pipes have been used I love the Rhinehart pipes and muffler performance wise but the damn heat shields always seem to rattle.

I thought if I bought premiums now it would help me in the future if I continued playing with the motor which is extremely likely now that I've had my first taste of Harley performance. I love the 57H cam. I need to set my rev extender on my PCV. The motor breaths and pulls hard and wants to go past the 5k rpm redline. Power in is instantaneous from 3000 on up. Anywho. The valve train is a lot quieter with these lifters set at 6 flats. I'll ride it until I can spring for the premiums. Who knows. I may be running a turbo next. lol.

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I'm pretty sure. I've learned that with these lifters they bottom out at 3 turns and a flat. I had them down tight. A friend of mine who is a Harley tech told me to loosen them up a flat or two because it was making valve spring noise. That being said. I readjusted the whole thing again at 1 1/2 turns down or 6 flats. Now the lifters themselves are making the noise. It kind of reminds me of the noise I had when I ran roller rockers on a Boss 302 I built way back when AND there is still a slight tic but I think it's coming from the lifter. I'm thinking of taking all the heat shields off my pipes to make sure that's not the issue. I wish I could have my pipes ceramic coated. I'm not sure if that can be done once the pipes have been used I love the Rhinehart pipes and muffler performance wise but the damn heat shields always seem to rattle.

I thought if I bought premiums now it would help me in the future if I continued playing with the motor which is extremely likely now that I've had my first taste of Harley performance. I love the 57H cam. I need to set my rev extender on my PCV. The motor breaths and pulls hard and wants to go past the 5k rpm redline. Power in is instantaneous from 3000 on up. Anywho. The valve train is a lot quieter with these lifters set at 6 flats. I'll ride it until I can spring for the premiums. Who knows. I may be running a turbo next. lol.
There is no adj. pushrods made that are only 1 1/2 turns for adjustment. Look up your pushrods and see how many threads per inch. You want your lifters set at approximately 1/2 depth of the lifter (distance from bottomed out to fully up on the cup. I sometimes because of the ramps on the cam I'm using go another 1/2 turn in to quieten them down.

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There is no adj. pushrods made that are only 1 1/2 turns for adjustment. Look up your pushrods and see how many threads per inch. You want your lifters set at approximately 1/2 depth of the lifter (distance from bottomed out to fully up on the cup. I sometimes because of the ramps on the cam I'm using go another 1/2 turn in to quieten them down.
+1 on that for sure.

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I'm glad my thinking was strait then. When I figured that bottomed out was 3 turns one flat my thought was to cut the distance in half. I'll add this one to experience. I may give Larry's a try. I like that he has a groove machined in to lube the pin. Larry's motorcycle machine

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Are you sure it's valve train noise you're hearing & not reversion from your 57H cam? Plenty of posts about that cam causing reversion noises.
SE pushrods are generally 24tpi. I believe the instructions call for 2.5 turns from zero lash. Like Smarty sez, get em set half way down into the lifter, which is usually around .100". You can go a little deeper possibly, but find that sweet spot.
I ran a set of AMS Johnson Hylift lifters in my old bike & I initially set the rods at 3 turns from zero. Those lifters didn't like that & were bottoming out. I backed off the rods to 2.5 & all was nice & quiet.
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I'll give these one more shot I guess but I can already feel a new set of lifters burning a hole in my pocket.

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