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SE 259E cams or Woods 777

I am looking into a new cam and right now I am trying to decide between the SE 259E or the Woods 777 cams. I am leaning towards the 777 a bit more then the 259E cam. I am interested in any input on these cams pro and cons.


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I have had them both ~ currently running the 259e's ~ only due to the fact the bike was stage III'd by the dealer as his demo on the 110 ~ had the 777's & 555's on the 10 Ultra Classic Ltd I sold after purchasing the CVO. The 777's are a much nicer touring cam ~ come in earlier ~ and I will probably go back to them down the road unless I do something more aggressive.

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I am looking into a new cam and right now I am trying to decide between the SE 259E or the Woods 777 cams. I am leaning towards the 777 a bit more then the 259E cam. I am interested in any input on these cams pro and cons.
If the current state of build is as is listed, then the 259's will need more compression to do what you want than the 9.6:1 cast flat tops that are in the stage II kit provide. Actually, both cams you list need more compression than you have but based on what I have seen elsewhere, the low end torque would be firmer with the 777's. Having said that both would be softer down low than your 255's so you may want to consider some minor head work such at what Big Boyz provides. Say for instance you decide on the 777's then just tell Bean that and he can cc the heads and then mill them and provide the required head gaskets to get to the nominal compression ratio for that cam. I own a 103" with the stage 2 w/ 255's, so I understand it's limitations and manners. With just a simple cam change with no other adjustments, either of those two would most likely extend your upper rpm range at the cost of the bottom end, effectively making it seem as a step down rather than a step up, which I assume you would rather avoid. In addition, I see you are running the V&H Big Shot duals and they will hold you back some in your quest for a boost in performance . A switch to a good 2-1-2 header such as the Full Sac unit with some good slip on's or a 2-1 will make the end result much closer to what I believe is what you are looking for. Nothing is ever as easy as it seems is it? I hope I have helped.

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I have the SE MVA heads with high compression forged pistons in the bike so far, just put them in . I am looking to go with a more compatible cam then the 255 cam, the 255 opens to early for this combo. I believe that the 777 cam has more overlap then the 259E cam and that is why I am leaning towards the 777. I am sticking with the true dual exhaust, a bagger looks better with a dual exhaust IMO.


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I have the SE MVA heads with high compression forged pistons in the bike so far, just put them in . I am looking to go with a more compatible cam then the 255 cam, the 255 opens to early for this combo. I believe that the 777 cam has more overlap then the 259E cam and that is why I am leaning towards the 777. I am sticking with the true dual exhaust, a bagger looks better with a dual exhaust IMO.
Well then, that is a horse of a different color! Those 777's or the 888's should work well then. I look forward to seeing which way you go and what the net results are.
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I just installed the 777s and my stock 103 yesterday took it for a test ride today and couldn't be any happier. The cams love more compression better flowing heads so they should be great for your new combo. I had 555 in my Dyna with the 96" I think my RG pulls harder and is faster up to speed, and for being a Heavier bike thats says something. Check out Fuel Moto they have a bunch of dyno sheets with the 777
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If you go to the FM site and look at the dyno sheets, you'll see that the 555 hits earlier than the 777.
You need to ask yourself how often will you be up in the 4800 plus rpm range.

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If you go to the FM site and look at the dyno sheets, you'll see that the 555 hits earlier than the 777.
You need to ask yourself how often will you be up in the 4800 plus rpm range.
i have the 777 and they dont "hit hard" till about 3,600 rpms. I personally would have liked the bit hit at about 2,800-3,000. however, i still really like the cams. pulls like a bastard up top.
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i have the 777 and they dont "hit hard" till about 3,600 rpms. I personally would have liked the bit hit at about 2,800-3,000. however, i still really like the cams. pulls like a bastard up top.
So my ? 2 u is...what compression ratio are you running & what exhaust are you using & what is/was your method & level of tune because there is no way these cams wait that late to "hit". I don't doubt your impression of your motor, it's just there is more to this story than this.
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Ironmark, not sure what kind of tempetures you are dealing with in MI, but here when it gets hot summer time they are having to pull some timing out if the bikes that are running the 10.5's with the 259E cams to keep them from detonating on 91. Might not affect you there so much
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