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post #1 of 28 (permalink) Old 07-25-2016, 12:05 PM Thread Starter
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Sounds like Marbles in a Tin Can.......

Well, the 2012 RGU started making a horrible racket last Friday night. Sounded like there were marbles behind the Cam Cover.

I took it in on Saturday morning and they agreed that it didn't sound good. Now I'm waiting for the verdict. They won't get to it until at least tomorrow, but I think it probably has something to do with the Cam Tensioner/Cam Plate. Just a guess, but I have heard of issues there.

There's 59K miles on the bike, so I'm not surprised. Good thing is that still under the Extended Warranty, with $0.00 deductible.

I'll keep you guys posted on what they find.

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post #2 of 28 (permalink) Old 07-26-2016, 07:19 AM
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The majority of HD engine issues stem from within the cam chest area.
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Yep, note them miles
rode our only ever new HD, '03 RG anni and within
the first 100 miles~heard at least twice it'll come un-glued
For sure before 20k, then 30, 40, 50....at 85k marbles in a can

If it is, you must have gotten an expired batch of glue,
The set-up on your year sposd to stay stuck
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Well, I went down to check on the bike this afternoon. Looks bad. One of the tensioners was stuck, the cam plate was all chewed up, the oil pump had major score marks, the lifters and their rollers were scored as well and there was a pile of sparkly metal in the bottom of the motor.

Dealer says it may need a new engine. Since I have the zero deductible warranty, and this would be covered, I don't mind that.

I told them to continue the tear down to determine the full extent of the damage, and if it does indeed need a new engine, please work up a quote on the price differential on a new 120ST as well.

I don't know if I will go that route or not, but it doesn't hurt to have the quote.

If I do go with the 120ST, a new set of cams may be in the near future as well. I may want to swap out the SE259 for the hotter SE266's. (same as in the 120R)

As before, I'll keep everyone posted.

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Well, I went down to check on the bike this afternoon. Looks bad. One of the tensioners was stuck, the cam plate was all chewed up, the oil pump had major score marks, the lifters and their rollers were scored as well and there was a pile of sparkly metal in the bottom of the motor.

Dealer says it may need a new engine. Since I have the zero deductible warranty, and this would be covered, I don't mind that.

I told them to continue the tear down to determine the full extent of the damage, and if it does indeed need a new engine, please work up a quote on the price differential on a new 120ST as well.

I don't know if I will go that route or not, but it doesn't hurt to have the quote.

If I do go with the 120ST, a new set of cams may be in the near future as well. I may want to swap out the SE259 for the hotter SE266's. (same as in the 120R)

As before, I'll keep everyone posted.
If you do go with the 120ST and want to upgrade the cams, look into T-man, S&S, Woods, Fuel Moto etc. The 266's do put out better max power but are not the best for everyday riding. Talk to a reputable builder about cam choices for where you want the power. Another option is to just keep the 259e's until the 1yr factory warranty is up and you can use that time to do some thorough research. Bottom line is that if you are going to change cams from the start and void the factory warranty on the engine do it with a better cam than the SE266. Just my 2 pennies

Hope they take care of you and good luck!
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If you do go with the 120ST and want to upgrade the cams, look into T-man, S&S, Woods, Fuel Moto etc. The 266's do put out better max power but are not the best for everyday riding. Talk to a reputable builder about cam choices for where you want the power. Another option is to just keep the 259e's until the 1yr factory warranty is up and you can use that time to do some thorough research. Bottom line is that if you are going to change cams from the start and void the factory warranty on the engine do it with a better cam than the SE266. Just my 2 pennies

Hope they take care of you and good luck!
This dealership has done me good so far. I trust them more than the other local dealer.

That may be because I have a Club Brother who works there, and I am close friends with other members of the staff, or it may just be they do good work and actually care. I don't know. So far I have been happy with their work.

The only reason I was thinking of the SE266 is because that turns the motor into the 120R. If there are better cams out there, I am willing to listen and learn. What I am looking for is good response at the low end, but mostly good cruising power.

Currently, I like the way the bike responds. But a little hotter along the same curve would be better. Here's what my latest dyno looks like.


Max Power 97.12 bhp @ 4918.6 rpm, Max Torque 117.88 Ft/lb @ 3865.5 rpm
Those numbers are with 53K miles on the motor.

Good pull starting at about 2k, but the real power comes on around 2700 and goes until about 5K.

Most of my riding is on the freeway, so good cruising response is where I want it, but I like being able to pull onto the freeway and not have any trouble keeping up with the rest of The Boys as we accelerate into traffic though. I don't need to be a Stoplight to Stoplight Demon though. I'm not into 1/4 mile racing.

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I'd side-step that 120R and go with an S&S 124"............we have a client that has over 130K on one.
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I'd side-step that 120R and go with an S&S 124"............we have a client that has over 130K on one.

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Maybe so but that may not be an option for him. If his dealer can pull that off with the company he has his ESP with then sure.


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Yea, I don't think I will be able to get an aftermarket engine out of the MoCo.

I'm still not sure if I will get the 120ST. I might just have to go with a straight replacement of the 110 that's in there.

But if I can swing it, I would love to have the MoCo pay for most of the cost of the engine upgrade if possible.

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Make sure you get those boys a keg IF more ya get more than
the minimum out a the ESP, but if it is trashed it's trashed
Well, it looks like it's trashed.

I got down there again on Wednesday. Took some pictures of the damage.

Lot's of shiny stuff in the cam chest and drained out on the bundles below.


Major scoring in the lifter galleries.



Cam Plate has a bunch of scoring.



All four lifters looked like hell.



Kind of a blurry picture, but you can see the damage to the cam lobes.



Front rod doesn't travel through it's arc very smoothly. It catches and lurches like there is debris in the bearings.

Warranty Company inspector was there yesterday afternoon. Dealership says they want to long block it. Just waiting on approval from the inspector. I should have an answer by this evening.

Fingers are crossed.

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