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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 02-14-2013, 07:29 PM Thread Starter
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12 point fasteners

Does anyone know where a person can buy 12 oint black fasteners? I would like to replace all my allen head external engine bolts with them.
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You couldn't pay me to do that to my bike. Torx are a PITA if you ask me. Why do you want to change them out.


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I think he means to bolts that us a 12 point socket.


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Diamond Engineering and Gardner Westcott for 12 points, they have complete bike kits available in chrome. I have never seen them sold in black, but I have had some powder coated with good results.

I was lookin at GB's bike yesterday, he has painted his Torx bolts and it looks good. I personally think that Torx is an excellent bolt head, I've stripped hex and socket head (Allen) but never 12 point or Torx. The ones you gotta watch out for with Torx is the T-27 cause you can use a T-25 tool sometimes depending on how tight the fastener is.
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Yes I was talking about 12 point bolts, not Torx. But both are much tougher then hex/allen head bolts. PVD coating is another way to go black, but not sure what it costs. Thanks for the tips.
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12 point fasteners

I found this from mkguitar on hd forums. Probably your best advice if you really want black bolts and don't want to paint them, though I suspect you'll still scratch them with tool marks if you not real careful.

"if you feel like a project- the old panhead era black fasteners are "Parkerized" there are kits available it which you can parkerize your own bolts Eastwood ( car restoration supplies) sells inexpensive kits.
The resulting bolt has a matte black finish which is quite durable."

They do make a solid black bolt. But not sure about the electrolysis issues involved using them on aluminum and other materials and thus which washer material and loctite you'll need to choose to prevent corrosion. Plus you'll not likely be able to use the HD recommended torque settings either.

Of course I was just involved with a aircraft mishap where crap fell off in flight due to similar uneducated engineering changes, so maybe I'm being overly meticulousness.

I pickup my stainless Diamond 12 point kit tomorrow, which will go on gloss black engine covers. They look good though I admit solid black would be nice. Engine and tranny kit is about $450.

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I have been changing mine out to 12 point, I haven't done it all at once with a kit. I ordered my bolts through Fastenal. The only snag I have run into so far is the front bolts on the primary cover cause they are a weird length and I have to special order them and buy a minimum. I have been powder coating them gloss black with a good result.
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Diamond Engineering and Gardner Westcott for 12 points, they have complete bike kits available in chrome. I have never seen them sold in black, but I have had some powder coated with good results.

I was lookin at GB's bike yesterday, he has painted his Torx bolts and it looks good. I personally think that Torx is an excellent bolt head, I've stripped hex and socket head (Allen) but never 12 point or Torx. The ones you gotta watch out for with Torx is the T-27 cause you can use a T-25 tool sometimes depending on how tight the fastener is.
All the bolts on my bike that are backed by wrinkle black I prepped, primed and painted matte flat with great results so far (5000 miles) when I send the last bit of parts out for powder coat ill be painting the bolts the are backed by gloss black, gloss black to match

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I think he means to bolts that us a 12 point socket.
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