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post #1 of 39 (permalink) Old 07-25-2018, 09:14 PM Thread Starter
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Unhappy OMG here we go! Need engine advice!

So Iíve been scrambling to get ready for Sturgis and the last thing I wanted to address was my low oil pressure Iíve experiencing ever since I had a local HD dealership install a 110 bolt on kit about 2,000 miles ago. I did take my bike back to them when I first noticed it and they said ďitís normal just ride itĒ

That didnít sit well with me so I took to another shop who has done work for me in the past and we agreed to install a hi flow oil pump to help with my concern. So today while installing the pump this is what they found!

So my questions are, is this an obvious over tourqe situation (AKA dealership F&$ked up) and is there a easy reliable bandaid to get me threw my 3,500 mile trip?

I have a call into the HD dealership owner hopefully heís willing to talk with me.
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So Iíve been scrambling to get ready for Sturgis and the last thing I wanted to address was my low oil pressure Iíve experiencing ever since I had a local HD dealership install a 110 bolt on kit about 2,000 miles ago. I did take my bike back to them when I first noticed it and they said ďitís normal just ride itĒ

That didnít sit well with me so I took to another shop who has done work for me in the past and we agreed to install a hi flow oil pump to help with my concern. So today while installing the pump this is what they found!

So my questions are, is this an obvious over tourqe situation (AKA dealership F&$ked up) and is there a easy reliable bandaid to get me threw my 3,500 mile trip?

I have a call into the HD dealership owner hopefully heís willing to talk with me.
I would say no. Over torquing will generally pull threads. That looks to have had a side load put on it. Like if someone missed a bolt and took a dead blow to the cam cover and then realized there was still a bolt in it after hitting it. Only speculation though. I would make note of your cam sprocket retaining bolt looking like someone put it on with an impact gun and a crappy socket. Might be an indicator of the skill level of said mechanic. Or maybe itís just a bad picture. In any case....good luck with the repair.
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I would use rtv on the gasket when putting it back together.. I'm assuming it wasn't an issue until you found it? Then fight with the dealer to get it fixed.... Good luck...


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I'd be fighting for a new case. I have zero faith in any dealership mechanic. They put throttle cables on my wifes Street 500. I just did a bar swap. He never tightened the lock nuts on the adjusters. How basic a task and he screwed that up.


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I would say no. Over torquing will generally pull threads. That looks to have had a side load put on it. Like if someone missed a bolt and took a dead blow to the cam cover and then realized there was still a bolt in it after hitting it. Only speculation though. I would make note of your cam sprocket retaining bolt looking like someone put it on with an impact gun and a crappy socket. Might be an indicator of the skill level of said mechanic. Or maybe itís just a bad picture. In any case....good luck with the repair.
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I talked to the owner today, was quite surprised he called me this morning at 10:00. We had a decent conversation but as you can expect heís trying to deflect the issue to my mechanic. I sent him pictures and awaiting heís call back. Stay tuned! ....

In the meantime I have to get this thing buttoned back up for next week. Has anyone had luck with a helicoil fix on a case?


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Helicoil really isn’t the issue. Helicoils work just fine. Drilling that hole out straight for a helicoil might prove difficult. An even larger concern would be the missing pieces. That one in your hand isn’t all there was. Or did you just not photograph the rest of the pieces? Something chewed that piece up and hopefully the oil filter is holding the majority of it.


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Helicoil really isnít the issue. Helicoils work just fine. Drilling that hole out straight for a helicoil might prove difficult. An even larger concern would be the missing pieces. That one in your hand isnít all there was. Or did you just not photograph the rest of the pieces? Something chewed that piece up and hopefully the oil filter is holding the majority of it.
This post is absolutley correct. There's a good chance your motor has metal fragments in it now, and a passage somewhere got partially blocked, causing your low oil pressure issue. If it were me, I'd pass on the road trip with this bike. The real fix that HD should perform is a new case. Something to think about is if you take this bike on your trip and the motor grenades, you're really gonna have a battle to fight with HD for a new motor. The hole probably cracked from a side blow, but wasn't all the way broken off until they buttoned it back up, which may have caused it to break off. From the looks of it, that piece bounced around in your cam chest for a bit, which may have caused even more damge that hasn't been found yet.

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Is it possible there was a defect in the case from the factory that just decided to let go?
Thatís just another reason that I do all my own work.
As others have stated, thereís a big possibility that there are other pieces floating around in the engine that can cause more major damage.
If it was me Iíd pass on the trip and make the Dealer fix it properly.
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It does look possibly like a side blow; however, Iím also wondering who the heck would strike a blow so hard as to cause this damage. Common sense would dictate that you wouldnít hit something that hard in this location. Hypothetically, if the tech smacked it during disassembly, which is where, presumably, it would have occurred, wouldnít he have noticed it sometime during the job? Iíve had my share of ďOh sh!tĒ moments. I mean things go bad sometimes and have to be fixed; thatís business. If the tech broke it and knew it, he's bound to have known that it wasnít going to last and someone would find it at some point. So Iím wondering if it was perhaps reassembled with an impact wrench, or defective torque wrench, and was way over torqued (a defective torque wrench caused one of my ďOh sh!tĒ moments). At that point the tech may not have realized it. It obviously torqued up. Can the indy say how tight it was?

How do you fix it? The only real solution is a new case. With your oil pressure being low, as others have mentioned, itís a possibility that bits of metal have traveled through the engine and lodged in a passage, or the filter if youíre lucky. Iíd want the rest of the engine (pistons, heads, etc) checked for damage.

Is your indy willing to go to court? To fix and diagnose it to my satisfaction would be a several thousand dollar job. Since your dealer has already attempted to deflect onto the indy Iíd be surprised if he admitted fault.
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