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Does an FP3 void your M8 warranty?

I was told by the sales guy that if I connect a V&H FP3 I can void my warranty. How could they tell I had or have one on if I default back to default settings?
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Sounds like a load of crap to me.

My RGS is a 2015 model but my dealer is the one that suggested using a V&H FP-3 unit when I did my stage one & stage two upgrades.

I would look for another dealership if it was me.

They just want you to purchase the HD fuel tuner I'm sure, right.

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I was told any change involved with the drive train in 2017 and 2018 bikes can void the warranty.
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The MoCo policy is that any non Harley tuner voids the power train warrantee. And they claim to be able to tell if a piggy back tuner has been installed, even if removed later.

Not sure how it would go if you took them to court. If they can in fact detect it, then I'm sure they can document it easy enough. And there would be that illegal activity to get past. Tampering and such.


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I was told yes by my dealership. Any tuner except the HD one will void it.


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Unless I am missing something, they cannot simply say that your warranty would be void... they would have to prove that the tuner itself is what caused the catastrophic failure of a component. i.e. if your drive belt broke suddenly due to abnormal wear, they would have to prove your tuner caused it and not something else. I'm also sure you could make the argument between the FP3 and the Harley Tuner- what's the difference between both tunes and why is one warrantied and one is not?
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It's due to the EPA deal they made. That tuner changes the EPA certification on the 2017 and up motorcycles. Some dealers aren't being as tough on it but they can get fined if they get caught. I have a 2016 and wouldn't touch a 2017 and up because of the EPA deal but that's just me.
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RoadglideinMO seems to have it right. I’ve talked to two dealers I’ve used for service. One will not install any tuner but HD and if warranty issue is tied to the tuner they will void it. However, if you have an unrelated issue the warranty will be fine. The other dealer (wonder which service department I’ll be going to) installs V&H because their customers want it and will fight to make sure the customer gets their warranty coverage. Guy I met at the dealership had just picked up his new 17 with V&H complete exhaust and a heavy breather with FP3 tuner. All of it was installed by the dealer.

All that said, if you’ve read the EPA settlement... the MOCO is required to void warranties. The individual dealer though...


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I don't have any knowledge on these tuners, but I have a bit of experience on Auto tuners..... most of the time the "tuner" will leave behind a trail, usually on the auto tuners that I've dealt with, that comes in the form of showing a reset of the ECM if/when plugged into a scanning tool. So, when a dealership plugs the motorcycle in, they would be able to see a "reset" was made to the ECM, however as long as you return the motorcycle to the stock tune, the cannot detect WHAT was done.

A lot of auto guys get around this and simply tell the dealerships that they have a scan tool that they hook up on occasion to look at codes etc. Dealerships have no choice but to accept that as they cannot see what/if any changes were made.

Can anyone confirm if the scooter tuners operate on the same basis as Auto tuners?


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The MoCo policy is that any non Harley tuner voids the power train warrantee. And they claim to be able to tell if a piggy back tuner has been installed, even if removed later.

Not sure how it would go if you took them to court. If they can in fact detect it, then I'm sure they can document it easy enough. And there would be that illegal activity to get past. Tampering and such.


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I was told by the sales guy that if I connect a V&H FP3 I can void my warranty. How could they tell I had or have one on if I default back to default settings?
look up harley consent decree. the entire thing is available online.

from what i read the moco has to void the warranty of any 2017-2018 bike that does not meet state epa specs. if they do they are subject to a fine.

"14. Denial of Warranty.
a. Defendants shall deny all warranty claims for functional defects of powertrain components for any Harley-Davidson vehicle (Model Year 2017 or later) registered in the United States, if any Defendants have any
information to show that such vehicle was tuned using a Tuning Product that was not covered by a California ARB Executive Order or otherwise approved by EPA."

i'm not a lawyer; i didn't read the whole thing; there's a lot more in the decree.
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