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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 10-09-2016, 05:52 PM Thread Starter
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RG security gremlins?

Bike is a new to me 01 that is for the most part an unmolested 60k mile average cond. at best RG(carb). I knew when I purchased it had minor issues, but it runs well and it was at a fire sale price.
First of all the bike to my knowledge has no security system installed, but I suppose it could have at one point. There is one key with no fob, no security light on dash, and a basic turn signal module. Can I safely assume a security system was never installed? Installed and removed? How to tell?
Symptoms as follows
1. When turning on the ignition I get the turn signal lights flashing several times. A trouble code stored I suppose, although I can't get the bike to spit out the offending code.
2. I'm also getting a 22mA draw on the battery until I pull the security fuse, it then drops to3mA.
3.When the security fuse is pulled the turn signal flashers no longer come on either.
So why would I have a fuse for the security system if I have none, or should I assume the security circuit powers something else? I have no schematics yet so I'm flyin blind.
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post #2 of 9 (permalink) Old 10-10-2016, 01:11 PM
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I don't know if this will help but I did own a 2003 Road King Classic that did not have a security system. I added the Harley security system module later. The first thing is the difference in the turn signal modules. If you do not have the security system you will have a TSM turn signal module, if the bike has security you will have a TSSM turn signal and security module. The modules look identical so the difference is internal circuitry. The module is under the seat by the rear fender with a bolted clamp holding it in place. If I recall correctly, the modules are labeled but if not they will have a part number to tell them apart. Check my following post for additional info since it is a little long explanation for here and I will time out here trying to write all of it.
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Further info. From your description, I believe you have the TSSM module. But since you don't have the matching key fob or apparently the security siren which was sold separately your bike is doing what it is supposed to do. That is, It is reacting like someone is stealing your bike when you turn it on. The TSSM module is supposed to flash the turn signals several times indicating that the key fob has not been clicked 2 times which turns off the alarm circuit. And if the siren was on the bike and working properly you would get a high pitched alternating squeal from the siren. One thing that is puzzling is that the security circuit is also supposed to electronically cut off the battery so the bike doesn't start, but you didn't mention that. The remedy is to go to a dealer and have a tech locate the alternate code for the system that can turn off the alarm circuit. Also check to see if you can order a replacement key fob that can be programmed to the security system. If you have the original owners manual from the previous owner, the code I mentioned may be written in the manual. Another option is if you do have the TSSM module, you can swap it out for a Stock TSM module. (I have one free for the asking, PM me.) However this will eliminate the security system totally. The short answer is a Harley dealer can solve this problem if you don't want to tackle it. More to come on the current draw problem.
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Additional info. I failed to tell you that the alternate code I mentioned is a 5 digit code that is entered with a series of keying the turn signal switches described in the owners manual or the service manual for your model bike, when a key fob is not present. One problem I encountered with the TSSM module was a sneak circuit to ground when I installed the Kuryakyn Run, Turn, Stop rear lights accessory module that would drain the battery when the security system was turned on for more than a week. That was fixed by removing the Kuryakyn module and replacing it with the Harley module that also makes the rear brake and turn signals into a Run, Turn, Stop operation. Again this is an optional feature for the rear lights that you may or may not have on your bike. The Kuryakyn module, if present, can be found under the seat plugged into the rear light wiring harness, it has red heat shrink on it and will be in line with the rear light harness via male/female connectors. If it is present that may explain the the 22 mA draw you mention but I don't know for sure what the stock current draw would be for that circuit. I hope this helps you out. I still have my 03 Touring Models Service Manual and although not 100% sure but don't think much was changed between 01 & 03. This includes the wiring Diagrams.

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Well the latest is that the module is a -01 which is listed as a std. turn signal module. So I'm OK there. What I failed to check last night was whether or not the bike ran after pulling the TSM fuse. So I tried it today and no it didn't run. Didn't even crank. I have since gotten my hands on a Clymer manual, and it appears by looking over the schematic that this may be normal procedure.
So I will try to retrieve the error code if thats what the flashing problem is. As far as the battery leak I am back to the drawing board, but I assume it is related to whatever the TSM controls. Probably start with the signals and the relays.
Your help is much appreciated. Thanks and I'll post when I track this bugger down.
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I checked the part numbers for the TSSM module and the same part numbers are used from years 2000-2013. (68200-00D or 68200-07A) The 07A suffix indicates a minor change was made in 2007. It could be just a change in the terminal of a connector or wire color code change, the circuit would work the same way. I also found the original non-security TSM module, it's part number is (68920-01B). The modules have a label with the part number on it that can only be seen if you remove the module from it's storage slot.

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One of my posts seemed to vanish? Anyway.
My fault for the mix up, when I said -01 I meant p/n 68920-01. The bike has a standard turn switch module. So I just have to pull the trouble code, and find the minor current leak. Otherwise the bike fires up and runs fine. Just hope it stays warm a little while longer. Thanks again.
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On my 01 super glide sport when I turn the key on, both blinkers blink 3 times. Fire it up and away I go. I just figured it was a security system of some kind that didn't get used on my bike.
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Same here but it flashes more than 3 times, probably 6 times. I also retrieved an error code #11 which I thought was the reason for the flashing. Can't erase the code I guess it will go away on it's own after 50 cycles or so.
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