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post #1 of 33 (permalink) Old 02-09-2013, 08:33 PM Thread Starter
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I've been trying to get around spending a ton of cash to get my large flag displayed for patriot guard rides. I thought of something but don't know if it will hold. I was thinking of using my seat screw at the bottom of a tube and sliding the flag pole in there.

Do you think the screw would hold. If I need to make it permanent, I can, i can cut it short and use a retaining clip to hold the pole, but I don't want to rip a hole in my fender from the wind pulling the flag pole, and not really sure I want to drill more holes.

Any thoughts or do I just have to suck it up and buy a Rivco?

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That is a 1/4-20 screw. It will not hold a 3x5 flag and pole, especially in the wind. I'm going to put some effort into designing something for that purpose after I get some other things done. I've got the FLTRX fender extension on my RGU and it prevents me from putting on a trailer hitch.

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At first read it sounds like a really bad idea. But, then again, that would depend on several factors -
1. How big is your flag?
2. The max speed you will ride with it flying.
3. Length of pole. The longer the pole the more force will be applied to the mounting point.

All in all it will still be a lot of torque applied to a small area and could definitely cause some damage. Even if it didn't pull through you might end up with a tweaked fender/hole.


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That is a 1/4-20 screw. It will not hold a 3x5 flag and pole, especially in the wind. I'm going to put some effort into designing something for that purpose after I get some other things done. I've got the FLTRX fender extension on my RGU and it prevents me from putting on a trailer hitch.
Thanks for the response. If you figure something, and can share, that would be awesome.

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At first read it sounds like a really bad idea. But, then again, that would depend on several factors -
1. How big is your flag?
2. The max speed you will ride with it flying.
3. Length of pole. The longer the pole the more force will be applied to the mounting point.

All in all it will still be a lot of torque applied to a small area and could definitely cause some damage. Even if it didn't pull through you might end up with a tweaked fender/hole.
Flag is 3x5, max speed in some cases, is 50, especially possible on welcome home rides, length of pole is adjustable, but couldn't be shorter than, say 4' or so. 3 for the flag and whatever the seat back height is, if it were mounted there.

I guess I'll keep exploring options. Was thinking about possibly mounted to either saddlebag supports or exhaust supports, but both of them would require being able to come out and clear the tour pack.

Thanks for all responses.
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This might be something that would work for ya!
http://www.jandjflagmounts.com/

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Thanks for the response. If you figure something, and can share, that would be awesome.



Flag is 3x5, max speed in some cases, is 50, especially possible on welcome home rides, length of pole is adjustable, but couldn't be shorter than, say 4' or so. 3 for the flag and whatever the seat back height is, if it were mounted there.

I guess I'll keep exploring options. Was thinking about possibly mounted to either saddlebag supports or exhaust supports, but both of them would require being able to come out and clear the tour pack.

Thanks for all responses.
Absolutely no way it would hold up with you running a 3x5 at speeds of 50 mph. Way to much stress on a relatively small attachment point.

I dig this kind of stuff so I have been thinking about it and have a design in mind. I like where you are coming from because it would look clean. I never liked the hitch mounts. I designed my own flag mount that attaches to the underside of my tour pack and is really clean looking. You could find a fabricator that could design a mounting bracket that attaches at the seat bolt, runs under the seat and has another bolt in the middle and front of it. Essentially spreading the stress point out to a broader/wider area. I am envisioning a padded plate, contoured to your rear fender, that bolts front, middle, and back. I would think you would need additional support under the fender to eliminate the warping of your sheet metal. You would also need to drill an additional hole in the middle of the plate and at the front under the seat. Those would be covered by the seat when it is installed.

Hope all of that makes sense. Cost would be minimal as it really isn't a lot of material or work.


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This might be something that would work for ya!
http://www.jandjflagmounts.com/
Thank you, but I don't have a hitch receiver. Maybe something in the future, but trying to figure this out on a low budget. I bought my 11 in march of last year and proceeded to throw in about another $2500 in 'stuff'. Now before riding season even starts I've done another $4-500. If my wife ever starts adding these up I could catch some flack.

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Absolutely no way it would hold up with you running a 3x5 at speeds of 50 mph. Way to much stress on a relatively small attachment point.

I dig this kind of stuff so I have been thinking about it and have a design in mind. I like where you are coming from because it would look clean. I never liked the hitch mounts. I designed my own flag mount that attaches to the underside of my tour pack and is really clean looking. You could find a fabricator that could design a mounting bracket that attaches at the seat bolt, runs under the seat and has another bolt in the middle and front of it. Essentially spreading the stress point out to a broader/wider area. I am envisioning a padded plate, contoured to your rear fender, that bolts front, middle, and back. I would think you would need additional support under the fender to eliminate the warping of your sheet metal. You would also need to drill an additional hole in the middle of the plate and at the front under the seat. Those would be covered by the seat when it is installed.

Hope all of that makes sense. Cost would be minimal as it really isn't a lot of material or work.
It does make sense, I'm just not too keen on drilling into the frame, or fender. So, I might look at your idea and see if I can use clamp mounts some how to reinforce a plate, like you said. Maybe run some bent steel along the frame rails that come out to the plate. Hmm, new thought, thanks for that.
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Totally forgot about the backrest mount. I think I can make a piece of steel , bend it to shape with the fender, slide it under the backrest mount, back to my seat screw and be able to reinforce it that way, yes?

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Totally forgot about the backrest mount. I think I can make a piece of steel , bend it to shape with the fender, slide it under the backrest mount, back to my seat screw and be able to reinforce it that way, yes?

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The frame rail, or backrest mount, would definitely be more solid and I think it should work. Do you have the quick release set up for the back rest? I can't tell in the photo. If so, I would use both mounting points, on each side, to spread the stress out. Similar to how the backrest mounts. I would also want to make sure that whatever metal I used was padded well so as not to damage the paint on the fender. Anyhow, good luck and have fun figuring it out.

I was thinking about my above design some more and I don't think it would work. Not long term anyhow.


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The frame rail, or backrest mount, would definitely be more solid and I think it should work. Do you have the quick release set up for the back rest? I can't tell in the photo. If so, I would use both mounting points, on each side, to spread the stress out. Similar to how the backrest mounts. I would also want to make sure that whatever metal I used was padded well so as not to damage the paint on the fender. Anyhow, good luck and have fun figuring it out.

I was thinking about my above design some more and I don't think it would work. Not long term anyhow.
yup, we're on the same page. roughly a triangle shape with 3 points to fasten, with a piece of thick 'packing material' underneath and plastic washers to keep it slightly suspended. Then on whatever tube I choose (probably a fishing rod holder) I'll cut it down so my wife isn't getting an unsuspected 'probing' when she rides with me

If interested, I'll post pics when done.
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