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post #51 of 99 (permalink) Old 08-07-2018, 04:25 PM
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Ok, I have a 2018 RGS brought last November. I have read of this issue on another forum so looked out for it.

At 3000 miles I saw my levels was low, went to my local dealer and reported it, at first they said they didn't know what I was talking about, however I had the service doc with me. They checked my bike and said nothing came out of my transmission and excess oil gushed out of my primary!
They contacted HD who told then to drain and refill to correct levels and ask me to ride 1000 miles and bring back for checking, this I did, unfortunately no oil was transferred so nothing further happened, however I was told my bike now has a reference number in the HD system so if a fix was found I SHOULD be contacted.

The 'fix' Harley has does NOT resolve the problem, in some bikes it slows the transfer down but not fix it.

There is only ONE real fix, a guy on HDForms.com has examined exactly what is going on and produced a fix, new seal and venting.

I suggest all concerned members take a look at this thread, its very long. Go to the end to see what the fix is and the cost.

Heres a link to the thread:
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/milwa...fix-is-in.html

I did speak to Harley about this 'fix', they told me if I put it in my bike it would void my warranty, even though it fixes a known problem HD cannot solve!

BTW, my bike is stock except for slip-ons and I ride normal, not tear the ass out of it, single rider most of the time.
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Ok, I have a 2018 RGS brought last November. I have read of this issue on another forum so looked out for it.

At 3000 miles I saw my levels was low, went to my local dealer and reported it, at first they said they didn't know what I was talking about, however I had the service doc with me. They checked my bike and said nothing came out of my transmission and excess oil gushed out of my primary!
They contacted HD who told then to drain and refill to correct levels and ask me to ride 1000 miles and bring back for checking, this I did, unfortunately no oil was transferred so nothing further happened, however I was told my bike now a reference number in the HD system so if a fix was found I SHOULD be contacted.

The 'fix' Harley has does NOT resolve the problem, in some bikes it slows the transfer down but not fix it.

There is only ONE real fix, a guy on HDForm.com has examined exactly what is going and produced a fix, new seal and venting.

I suggest all concerned members take a look at this thread, its very long. Go to the end to see what the fix is and the cost.

Heres a link to the thread:
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/milwa...fix-is-in.html

I did speak to Harley about this 'fix', they told me if I put it in my bike it would void my warranty, even though it fixes a known problem HD cannot solve!

BTW, my bike is stock except for slip-ons and I ride normal, not tear the ass out of it, single rider most of the time.
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WOW, just WOW, I have been thinking about a new bike but after reading all of this stuff I am going to hold on to my 2012 a little while longer. When my ESP expired last year I did not renew thinking I would be getting another bike within in a year or so but now I am not sure. Thanks to all that take the time to share these issues.
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WOW, just WOW, I have been thinking about a new bike but after reading all of this stuff I am going to hold on to my 2012 a little while longer. When my ESP expired last year I did not renew thinking I would be getting another bike within in a year or so but now I am not sure. Thanks to all that take the time to share these issues.

I wouldn't let it scare me if I wanted a new RG. I would say you have about as much chance that your 2012 will have a lifter or cam bearing failure as you would getting a 2018 that will have the fluid migration issue. The only difference is the 2018 WILL have warranty.

Yes the fluid migration issue is a problem to think about but it's not going to implode the engine like a bad bearing can do. All this does is make the ones who don't normally check their fluid levels on a regular basis in between services do just that. The only way this is going to do significant damage is if you don't check the fluid levels and their just isn't any hard information to support how wide spread the issue is with this. I know far too many M8 touring bike owners that have never had the issue show up and they range from stock bikes up to 117" kits.


At least you have a great ride to keep riding if it sill does bother you and you can wait longer to see what comes of all this. Maybe I'm wrong but I really would say this issue is less that 3% of the bikes out there and if you think of how many thousands of bikes that are out there it just isn't that many. If people have a different take on this it is completely fine and I'm ok with that. There are always different perspectives.
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WOW, just WOW, I have been thinking about a new bike but after reading all of this stuff I am going to hold on to my 2012 a little while longer. When my ESP expired last year I did not renew thinking I would be getting another bike within in a year or so but now I am not sure. Thanks to all that take the time to share these issues.
I have not experienced this issue nor have the 3 morons I ride with here in Chicago who all roll on M8s - I would not think twice about buying another M8 Touring Bike - This is by far my favorite HD ever - Yes, others were cooler looking or sounded better but in terms of the overall package, the Mothership did right by the M8 RGS in my book - Every HD ever released has always had something.......and some M8s have this
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WOW, just WOW, I have been thinking about a new bike but after reading all of this stuff I am going to hold on to my 2012 a little while longer. When my ESP expired last year I did not renew thinking I would be getting another bike within in a year or so but now I am not sure. Thanks to all that take the time to share these issues.
There is not a bike I have owned in over 35 years that did not have known issues with a certain percentage of the bikes. I have owned Suzuki, Yamaha, Honda, Kawasaki, Triumph, Moto Guzzi, Harley Davidson, trials, off road, dual sport, sport, sport touring, touring, standard, street fighter, cruiser, muscle cruiser, and modern retro.

Some you performed a preemptive "fix". Others you hoped it didn't happen to you. Before the internet, you just rode and dealt with it. I have never replaced with the same on any bike because if I had one without issues I wasn't willing to take the risk that the replacement would be issue free. Also, there were never significant improvements like going from the twin cam to the M8, or pre Rushmore to Rushmore on those other makes and models. And finally, because I wanted to experience many different genres of motorcycles and motorcycling.

If you are happy with everything about your bike, keep it. The 2012s are great looking bikes IMO. If you are itching for a new ride, wait and see what 2019 brings and if it is not a significant improvement, get a great deal on a leftover '18.
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I bought my 17 knowing about the migration problem. I have 2 buddies with SG’s battling it. Luckily i haven’t had a problem with mine yet, only 2500 miles though. Sold my 2012 to get it and i couldn’t be happier. Love this new bike.


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I really enjoy my 2018 RG. Have put 4K miles on since April 22 purchase and it's a great ride. Checked my transmission fluid last night and it's sitting at the low end of the range but still in the acceptable range. I'll keep monitoring but so far so good and the 5K service is coming up very soon.
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Based on some of the comments on this issue, there seems to be some confusion on what this fluid transfer is. It has nothing to do with the engine oil. It is a transfer of trans fluid into the primary case and so far only has occurred in touring models. Fortunately we can use the same fluid in the tranny and the primary if we choose to and unless there is a significant transfer going on it may not have any effect if regular maintainance schedules are followed. If there is significant transfer then the concern is running the trans out of fluid and over fill of the primary. I have always used Redline Shockproof in the trans of my twin cam bikes due to the much better shift performance of that fluid. But happening to offhandedly mentioning this to the service writer at my local dealer, his comment was that Harley did not recommend it for the M8 bikes. Upon challenging him on that comment he did not know why so it may be that they just want you to use their products. This begins to make sense now which makes me believe that the MOCO knew of the transfer issue way before acknowledging their was an issue. Because to my knowledge Shockproof is not recommended for a primary fluid. Therefore fluid transfer of Shockproof into the primary may adversely effect clutch performance. Until I have a chance to contact Redline staff I will use the NON-shockproof version of their trans oil.
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Based on some of the comments on this issue, there seems to be some confusion on what this fluid transfer is. It has nothing to do with the engine oil. It is a transfer of trans fluid into the primary case and so far only has occurred in touring models. Fortunately we can use the same fluid in the tranny and the primary if we choose to and unless there is a significant transfer going on it may not have any effect if regular maintainance schedules are followed. If there is significant transfer then the concern is running the trans out of fluid and over fill of the primary. I have always used Redline Shockproof in the trans of my twin cam bikes due to the much better shift performance of that fluid. But happening to offhandedly mentioning this to the service writer at my local dealer, his comment was that Harley did not recommend it for the M8 bikes. Upon challenging him on that comment he did not know why so it may be that they just want you to use their products. This begins to make sense now which makes me believe that the MOCO knew of the transfer issue way before acknowledging their was an issue. Because to my knowledge Shockproof is not recommended for a primary fluid. Therefore fluid transfer of Shockproof into the primary may adversely effect clutch performance. Until I have a chance to contact Redline staff I will use the NON-shockproof version of their trans oil.
I use Royal Purple gear oil. As soon as I complete my obligatory 1000 miles before they recheck, I'm going to 20/50 in the tranny just to be safe when it transfers to the primary.


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