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post #71 of 99 (permalink) Old 08-11-2018, 07:40 PM
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Also, try finding an Indian dealer if your in trouble. Maybe you be lucky to be within 100 miles of one.


Actually 70miles from one...


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No issue here I just did a 6,921 mile trip and the tranny oil was right where it was when I left.. The bike has 18k on the clock now so no worries here...
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No issue here I just did a 6,921 mile trip and the tranny oil was right where it was when I left.. The bike has 18k on the clock now so no worries here...


Honestly there was probably a running line change from early M8s to later M8s that Harley has not released.




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Yep got the same run around. I for one will not buy another Harley until they get this fixed. Guess I.m stuck with this bike for awhile. I really wanted one of those 117" Road Glides. It's just not worth the risks. Have fun!

From what I have read there are several fixes out there but most are not holding up to the test of time across all afflicted bikes.

I took the liberty to note the top three (3) fixes IMHO for the 'transfer of trans oil to the primary' design flaw as of August 2018; time will tell which one of these fixes really works or if some other "root cause" fix arises in the future.

1) $tonecold developed a fix; here is a link: https://www.hdforums.com/forum/milwa...fix-is-in.html . Not sure if this addresses the "root cause" of Harley's design flaw. The fix itself is not very robust IMHO.

2) Baker Drivetrain has another fix. They redesigned the hydraulic side cover that goes on the right side of the trans. This fix may have identified and addressed the "root cause".

3) MOCO apparently is adding an vent near the top of the primary on 2019's; not sure if this fix is true, or just pure rumor. Some installations have been executed, but this looks more like a bandaid. Does MOCO have real engineers working this issue or is this some summer intern's busy work?

I am holding off on buying an M8 until Harley resolves this design flaw. I don't relish the idea that every 1K miles or so I have to stop and check my trans oil level, especially since it is a very expensive new bike that is suppose to be a touring bike. I shouldn't have to even think about it.

How the heck is Harley going to compete against other bike manufacturers in the "Adventure bike market" that they want to break into if they have this poor reliability rap against them?

I really want Harley to succeed but they have to be more responsive to customer complaints and solve these 'piss ant problems' in a timely manner; letting this problem linger on and on for two years doesn't build any confidence in the reliability of Harley products in the marketplace that spans the globe.

Maybe the head of Engineering should resign.
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From what I have read there are several fixes out there but most are not holding up to the test of time across all afflicted bikes.

I took the liberty to note the top three (3) fixes IMHO for the 'transfer of trans oil to the primary' design flaw as of August 2018; time will tell which one of these fixes really works or if some other "root cause" fix arises in the future.

1) $tonecold developed a fix; here is a link: https://www.hdforums.com/forum/milwa...fix-is-in.html . Not sure if this addresses the "root cause" of Harley's design flaw. The fix itself is not very robust IMHO.

2) Baker Drivetrain has another fix. They redesigned the hydraulic side cover that goes on the right side of the trans. This fix may have identified and addressed the "root cause".

3) MOCO apparently is adding an vent near the top of the primary on 2019's; not sure if this fix is true, or just pure rumor. Some installations have been executed, but this looks more like a bandaid. Does MOCO have real engineers working this issue or is this some summer intern's busy work?

I am holding off on buying an M8 until Harley resolves this design flaw. I don't relish the idea that every 1K miles or so I have to stop and check my trans oil level, especially since it is a very expensive new bike that is suppose to be a touring bike. I shouldn't have to even think about it.

How the heck is Harley going to compete against other bike manufacturers in the "Adventure bike market" that they want to break into if they have this poor reliability rap against them?

I really want Harley to succeed but they have to be more responsive to customer complaints and solve these 'piss ant problems' in a timely manner; letting this problem linger on and on for two years doesn't build any confidence in the reliability of Harley products in the marketplace that spans the globe.

Maybe the head of Engineering should resign.
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Again, this is happening to a very small percentage of bikes, everyone likes to make it sound like every M8 going out the door is doing this, also you do not need to check it every 1000 miles, the amount of oil transfer that does occur in the limited numbers is not enough to harm the bike, watch the video I referenced earlier and you will understand the workings of the M8 Tranny and primary.

Like my service guys told me, AS LONG AS YOU FOLLOW PROPER SERVICE INTERVALSthe issue will not result in harm. if you like to run your bike and change oil annually or not at all you will have a problem. One reason the response time is more than likely they have not seen anything in a failure of components due to this.

I work with a worldwide Manufacturer of equipment and there are always issues like this in products and they do not recall or rework for items that do not cause major failure, they classify them as "Fix when Fail" send out a dealer bulletin to have them check for the issue, document the S/N and watch...if and when a major recall/rework ever comes that machine will be top of the list for a policy adjustment and repair. Its standard operating procedure, the fact they do not have a complete fix or recall just proves how minute the issue is. People like to make it sound like Harley doesn't care but I know most peoples common sense knows better.

yes I understand this should not happen, but it should definitely not stop you from buying one
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Again, this is happening to a very small percentage of bikes, everyone likes to make it sound like every M8 going out the door is doing this, also you do not need to check it every 1000 miles, the amount of oil transfer that does occur in the limited numbers is not enough to harm the bike, watch the video I referenced earlier and you will understand the workings of the M8 Tranny and primary.

Like my service guys told me, AS LONG AS YOU FOLLOW PROPER SERVICE INTERVALSthe issue will not result in harm. if you like to run your bike and change oil annually or not at all you will have a problem. One reason the response time is more than likely they have not seen anything in a failure of components due to this.

I work with a worldwide Manufacturer of equipment and there are always issues like this in products and they do not recall or rework for items that do not cause major failure, they classify them as "Fix when Fail" send out a dealer bulletin to have them check for the issue, document the S/N and watch...if and when a major recall/rework ever comes that machine will be top of the list for a policy adjustment and repair. Its standard operating procedure, the fact they do not have a complete fix or recall just proves how minute the issue is. People like to make it sound like Harley doesn't care but I know most peoples common sense knows better.

yes I understand this should not happen, but it should definitely not stop you from buying one

Bottom line IMHO, is that Harley needs to fix this M8 design flaw and move on. Not buying a Harely M8 until this reliability, quality, design, process, or whatever you want to call it problem is resolved.
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Bottom line IMHO, is that Harley needs to fix this M8 design flaw and move on. Not buying a Harely M8 until this reliability, quality, design, process, or whatever you want to call it problem is resolved.
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That's fine, I just hope you don't buy many other vehicles, they all have issues that the general public doesn't even know about, the cars/trucks made now are the worst, many of their issues can be of the safety kind, But nothing needs to be reported until there are certain amount. Keep that in mind when you bash Harley and accuse them of a being unreliable, they are not the only one. I referenced Indian earlier..terrible reliability issues


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So my dealer was suppposed to call Friday to pick up my bike. They didn’t call, so I stoped in after work. The service mgr told be they were going to call me on Tuesday. I told them never mind. I just bought oil and did it my self. Tranny had about 23oz in it. I didn’t get to do primery yet but I now it’s over full from when I checked. Bike has 9,600 miles on it
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Bottom line IMHO, is that Harley needs to fix this M8 design flaw and move on. Not buying a Harely M8 until this reliability, quality, design, process, or whatever you want to call it problem is resolved.
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Just shy of 11K on my '17 M8 and never an issue here either - I would buy one again in an instant with zero concern - At first I was freaked out by it, but the more and more I read on it........all is good in my hood
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Just shy of 11K on my '17 M8 and never an issue here either - I would buy one again in an instant with zero concern - At first I was freaked out by it, but the more and more I read on it........all is good in my hood
Glad to hear the M8 is treating you and others very well. Myself and others will just sit here on the sidelines for a while longer.
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