I have a 15 RGU CVO with 19K I heard ticking in engine
took it to dealer they called today and are trashing motor and trans. HD Inspector will be out
to look at it for extended warranty. Thank goodness I bout 5 years worth.
Dealer suggested I go with a S&S 124 drop in and take out the radiators. While I like S&S
it seems to me that this would kill value especially it being CVO. Would the current existing warranty still be good,
would the air pump for legends still fit under bike, so many questions. My main use for the bike is two up touring, a couple
3k to 4k mile trips each summer so reliability is more important than performance. My riding years for a bike this size is
limited, so resale also plays into it.
Your thoughts and ideas will be greatly appreciated.
I've had thoughts of going "post-stock" with bikes in the past, but when I really sat down and thought about it I purchased the bike because I enjoyed the way it felt (back to my 103). Graduated first to the 107 and now the 114, and have to say that with this progression I've been more than satisfied. Just my thinking, but it seems you are happy with the bike as you had it. While an S&S would be a lot of fun it may not fit your needs or plans. Just my two cents. Sorry for the misfortune but wish you luck with your decision!
Damn Straight! ...I'd take that action in a heartbeat ... And wouldn't much care if the ESP balked about the engine, as S&S should already have that covered.
I bought my bike to ride, not resell...I'll be on the damn thing 'till I'm 80..
I'm going to go against the grain. To me a stock CVO is worth more than a CVO with an aftermarket motor. If you're concerned about trade in or resale I'd put the stock motor back in. With some upgrades. If you dont care and want to have a fast touring bike. Get the 124. Me. I'd go stock with some upgrades. And still have a Harley.
+1 I'm with you all the way on this one. Put a HD replacement motor in it, at least it'll still be an all HD CVO. You didn't specify what was wrong with the original motor .... can it be rebuilt? If so, rebuild to a stage 2 or 3 and live happily ever after with a "matching numbers" original CVO.
I wonder what the “average value” of said bike is now and would use that as a gauge for resale value in a “few years” when you think you’d be retiring it anyway! I see value on both sides of this coin! However it turns out, hope that it’s for the best for you sir!
It sounds like you will be getting a new engine and trans under esp. You say the dealer suggests a 124.(I can't image the dealer doing that upgrade without you paying the difference from stock). Trade in value will not increase down the road because you put in the 124. I would put a stock replacement motor in, back to the specs you had before engine failure. If you had upgrades to the stock motor (stage l , ll or lll )the dealer should get the replacement engine back to where it was before failure. Ride like the wind and don't worry about the resale value. (It might be worth $20,000; it might be worth $15,000...there is no way to predict it). KBB and NADA are just guidelines. The bike is only worth what someone is willing to pay at the time. Good luck!
With the CVO and Limited , they kind of cancel each other out value wise IMO ..
Only one person I know on this forum ( personally to boot ) that rode the piss out of his 15 CVO and got nothing for it in the end , but it had 87000 miles on it ..
I would keep it stock because it's a CVO , but on the other hand I look at it like this if I am the buyer , it's a five model year old used Harley ..
It's a CVO o would stay stock, a 110 is more than enough power it's a touring machine not drag racer, don't try to make it what it's not, before you know it, the clutch won't hold will need to upgrade that, and whatever else down the line becomes over stressed. If it's your traveling glide keep it as reliable as you can which means stock, if you want to beat the bejesus out of it and don't give a rat's ass then go to the 124. I vote for stock.
This is a thinker indeed......my knee jerk reaction is Crate 124 for sure........but then again, when the rush died down, I would, in all honesty, prob have the dealer Stage 2 me a nice 103 TC Motor and stay away from that 110 - Stage 2 (IMHO) is enough for the average rider to feel more than stock but not enough to where a lot has changed - The 103 is a SOLID Platform to build off and a Stock 110 is coming in 2nd to a tuned 103 all day - My old '16 had a Dynoed Stage 1 and pulled on my buddies stock 110 all day with ease
My $$...Stage 2 103 with whatever size CAM fits your style along with the AC and maybe even that exhaust you always wanted (think 2:1 with Ghost Pipe for best performance) if the dealer can work that in somehow
I’d go with the S&S, it’s proven to be more reliable and I’m sure you will have some kind of warranty with a new engine. Besides that, I hate to break it to you but the 2015 RGU doesn’t seem to be doing good as far as holding it’s value, I have a friend with one for sale now and can’t even get $22k for it. Have heard similar stories and seen a couple just sitting in the dealership for months.
Really no use to worry about resale. Every time HD upgrades the drivetrain in the new bikes, the ones with the old drivetrain take a hit in value. The 110 was hot for its time, my stock 114 M8 would eat it's lunch. I'd go 124 and enjoy the ride.
I’m not that familiar with the wet head 110 but I wouldn’t have bought my 2012 CVO if it had the stock 110 motor. As dbell said you can’t go wrong with S&S but I’d rather have a built 117 or 124 with SE cases instead of a crate
Fuzz you cheap bastard you know if your engine blew you’d put a Briggs & Stratton pull start in it and be done, therefore your opinion is ..........well taken cautiously at best... haha.... hope Bob and you are staying out of trouble
The 4 of us are headed to the 'Buckingham Backyard Blues Festival' tomorrow, held at the "World Famous Buckingham Blues Bar" in downtown Buckingham, FL. It's a dirty old country bar that has a great actual "back yard" where they have a stage, a bar, some sheltered seating and a big grassy area to sit on (on top of their septic system where the grass grows high and fast). I'd call it a 'biker bar' but they only serve beer and wine - no wiskey. They do the back yard thing about once a month from Oct. thru May. Three bands play from 2 til dark, then they move inside and play until 11:00 We usually catch the bands outside and then take off around 6:00.
What about the ESP coverage on the 124? If it goes (and it can but not like the 110) after the S&S warranty on it expires, who pays to fix that engine?
Yes they do. The dealership will turn in the old cases for destruction.
Also when the MOCO distributes a replacement frame, it will have the stamped vin, but they do not replace the metal tag that also has the vin.
If you are worry about the resale value park, put the bike in the garage and don't ride it because once you hit 60000 miles or more your value went out the window. Dealer don't want them and private sale are hard because there are 100's of low mileage CVO's around' so you just about have to give it a way.
So ride the bike, enjoy it and forget about your resale value. It is what it is!
I too own a 2015 FLTRUSE and will go against the grain here a little. I’d challenge the dealer’s diagnosis before doing anything. “A little ticking sound” does not sound like a major engine failure...at least not yet. That model is known for having lifter failures, but if caught early enough, can be repaired easily.
I say screw resale, you didn't buy your bike as an investment did you, so do what makes you happy. That said, my first question to them would be "why the hell did a motor with 19,000 miles bite the dust?". That's fucked up. I've got a 2018 RGU that just turned over 25,000 miles today, hearing a story like yours worries me.
Your M8 is a whole different animal from the TC110. The 110 is notorious for lifter issues because of the heavy spring weight on the valves. I'm on my 2nd bike with it. I got 35k miles out of the first one before they needed replaced and 30k miles out of the 2nd one before they needed replaced on that bike.
Valve Spring pressure is very strong which is what's cramming the lifters down onto the cam so damn hard causing the problem. The pushrod and rocker doesn't have much give to them when the lifter is on the high lobe of the cam trying to collapse that valve spring.
Guess its not...They called back Saturday morning to say something major is going on in the motor and they are tearing it down...:surprise: That ESP is coming in handy.
Depending on what the warranty people say....a stock CVO with new motor/trans would be a nice find IMO. You can drop a 124 into any model and it's a freight train from hell. If I were gonna do a mod, it would be on a basic model where the mods were the main attraction. Then again, I'm not riding the thing
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