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post #1 of 53 (permalink) Old 05-19-2016, 11:11 PM Thread Starter
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Kraus Motor Inverted front end?

Anyone install this set up yet? I am considering it... here is my story...

I bought a 2015 Road Glide Special.. and rode if for about 500 miles.. then started to trouble shoot and try to improve the handling... First thing I tried to eliminate was the fork dive in the front end... I put the progressive monotubes in ... it was an improvement... the monotubes eliminated the diving in the front end... but that is all it did... it offers no solution for rebound... and rebound is the most important function of the suspension... if you are looking for traction... so the monotubes help.. but you still have no real working front suspension... I also put a set of Ohlins shocks in the rear... from Howard... and now I have a functioning rear... overall.. the bike is better... but I wouldn't consider it good... just better than the horrible stock set up.... the stock rear suspension was so bad (I am only 170 pounds)... it basically would hop over bumps.. and if you did hit something big... it would blow through the stroke and bottom out... basically .. the only function the stock rear shocks served.. was to suspend the fender off of the rear wheel... it offered no real dampening or rebound...
I like the paint job on my bike.. and the radio.. and the saddlebags.. and all of the options you can readily buy... I know it is a touring bike.. and it works fine on the super slab in a straight line on a flat road... but I rode a BMW for 10 years.. and a Victory for 5 years... and the Harley is not in the same ball park as far as handling... overall the bike works... if you don't mind the extra risk associated with having a bike that doesn't handle...
I am considering putting the Kraus inverted front end on... as I feel like the rear is 'good enough'... the Kraus solution seems to attack the problems from a few angles... stronger triple trees... a functioning inverted fork (preload, rebound and compression adjustable) from reputable suspension manufacturers (Race Tech or Ohlins - you choose)... and it offers the option to upgrade the brakes to Beringers... I am actually fine with the stock Harley brakes.. with the exception of the linked braking.. which actually sends pressure to the front brake lever... occasionally... when you are applying the rear brake... something I can't believe the Harley engineers were OK with... since linked brakes have been used by many companies for a long time.. and it seems like only the Harley solution has this undesired side effect..
I sound like a complainer.. and in some odd sort of a way.. I actually like the Harley.. and the nostalgic feel of riding a bike with a primitive suspension... that makes you feel like you are riding a vintage bike... ironically.. I have a 2007 Springer soft tail.. and the springer front end.. is exponentially better than the fork set up...
my expectations set me up for disappointment.. as I thought with ABS.. and all of the luggage.. that I was buying a touring bike.. designed to be stable and safe on the road.. with a passenger and luggage.. weighing over 1200 pounds...
the engineering side of me.. believes this can be fixed... that maybe it is not the frame design.. and the motor vibration that is causing the problems.. but it is the non functioning forks...
Harley sells a CVO.. with paint upgrades... and radio upgrades.. and leather seat upgrades... and motor upgrades.. none of which interests me....
why doesn't Harley do what BMW does... BMW offers you a 3 series car for 40K.. and if you want a 3 series that performs well.. you buy an M3 for 80K.. and you get a hopped up motor, suspension, and brakes... I would buy an M series Road Glide.. I don't mind spending the money... but I want forks, triple trees, rear shocks, a stabilizer, and brakes... not better paint and more chrome... I haven't done a thing to my bike yet - motor wise.. no pipes, cam, tuner... nothing.. I will not spend a dollar trying to make the thing run better or faster... if I can't get it to ride or handle well...
if the solution to making the Harley suspension feel better.. is to buy a more comfortable seat.. and hold on.. while the bike is doing what it is going to do... I will give up soon..
I am considering spending the price of a new sportster... on forks, triple trees, and brakes....
if anyone has any experience with Kraus Motor Inverted forks.. I would love to hear your opinion...
overall I consider myself a happy person.. and I like my Harley.. with all of its faults... kind of like an abused dog you rescue from the pound... ugly, damaged, and broken... but still lovable in some sort of way
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Have you talked to Howard about the 30mm ohlins drop-ins for the 49mm front? I've heard those are amazing. Price makes my wallet curl up and hide in the corner, but hey, if I could I would.

Another thought, if you have an opportunity to go to a big rally, I'm sure legends will be on site. I've heard that thier drop-ins are just as much improvement over progressive that progressive is over stock. Maybe they would let you test ride to find out if thier product meets your expectations.

Sorry I don't have much more to give you. While I'm not 'happy' with the excessive fork dive and wallowing around the corners that the stock front fork gives, monetary considerations have kept me from upgrading. I will likely contact Howard and see what ohlins drop in cartridges will cost and see if that is doable, if not I'll try the legends. You are correct in that at our weight class (175# here), there is no rebound in the stock setup.
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Progressive is junk; don't bother with it.

Howard offers a 25mm Ohlins cartridge insert and a 30mm Ohlins insert which requires some modifications to the tubes. Either will solve your problems. But there's nothing wrong with the trees. That issue was solved in 2014. You may also want to add a True-Track to fix the wobble issue.

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Anyone install this set up yet? I am considering it... here is my story...



I bought a 2015 Road Glide Special.. and rode if for about 500 miles.. then started to trouble shoot and try to improve the handling... First thing I tried to eliminate was the fork dive in the front end... I put the progressive monotubes in ... it was an improvement... the monotubes eliminated the diving in the front end... but that is all it did... it offers no solution for rebound... and rebound is the most important function of the suspension... if you are looking for traction... so the monotubes help.. but you still have no real working front suspension... I also put a set of Ohlins shocks in the rear... from Howard... and now I have a functioning rear... overall.. the bike is better... but I wouldn't consider it good... just better than the horrible stock set up.... the stock rear suspension was so bad (I am only 170 pounds)... it basically would hop over bumps.. and if you did hit something big... it would blow through the stroke and bottom out... basically .. the only function the stock rear shocks served.. was to suspend the fender off of the rear wheel... it offered no real dampening or rebound...

I like the paint job on my bike.. and the radio.. and the saddlebags.. and all of the options you can readily buy... I know it is a touring bike.. and it works fine on the super slab in a straight line on a flat road... but I rode a BMW for 10 years.. and a Victory for 5 years... and the Harley is not in the same ball park as far as handling... overall the bike works... if you don't mind the extra risk associated with having a bike that doesn't handle...

I am considering putting the Kraus inverted front end on... as I feel like the rear is 'good enough'... the Kraus solution seems to attack the problems from a few angles... stronger triple trees... a functioning inverted fork (preload, rebound and compression adjustable) from reputable suspension manufacturers (Race Tech or Ohlins - you choose)... and it offers the option to upgrade the brakes to Beringers... I am actually fine with the stock Harley brakes.. with the exception of the linked braking.. which actually sends pressure to the front brake lever... occasionally... when you are applying the rear brake... something I can't believe the Harley engineers were OK with... since linked brakes have been used by many companies for a long time.. and it seems like only the Harley solution has this undesired side effect..

I sound like a complainer.. and in some odd sort of a way.. I actually like the Harley.. and the nostalgic feel of riding a bike with a primitive suspension... that makes you feel like you are riding a vintage bike... ironically.. I have a 2007 Springer soft tail.. and the springer front end.. is exponentially better than the fork set up...

my expectations set me up for disappointment.. as I thought with ABS.. and all of the luggage.. that I was buying a touring bike.. designed to be stable and safe on the road.. with a passenger and luggage.. weighing over 1200 pounds...

the engineering side of me.. believes this can be fixed... that maybe it is not the frame design.. and the motor vibration that is causing the problems.. but it is the non functioning forks...

Harley sells a CVO.. with paint upgrades... and radio upgrades.. and leather seat upgrades... and motor upgrades.. none of which interests me....

why doesn't Harley do what BMW does... BMW offers you a 3 series car for 40K.. and if you want a 3 series that performs well.. you buy an M3 for 80K.. and you get a hopped up motor, suspension, and brakes... I would buy an M series Road Glide.. I don't mind spending the money... but I want forks, triple trees, rear shocks, a stabilizer, and brakes... not better paint and more chrome... I haven't done a thing to my bike yet - motor wise.. no pipes, cam, tuner... nothing.. I will not spend a dollar trying to make the thing run better or faster... if I can't get it to ride or handle well...

if the solution to making the Harley suspension feel better.. is to buy a more comfortable seat.. and hold on.. while the bike is doing what it is going to do... I will give up soon..

I am considering spending the price of a new sportster... on forks, triple trees, and brakes....

if anyone has any experience with Kraus Motor Inverted forks.. I would love to hear your opinion...

overall I consider myself a happy person.. and I like my Harley.. with all of its faults... kind of like an abused dog you rescue from the pound... ugly, damaged, and broken... but still lovable in some sort of way

Oh bless your heart! You NAILED it at nostalgia! But that's why most ride Harleys. Harley will only exceed the last Harley and Harley riders are ok with that. You go comparing Harley to any other motorcycle and you are setting yourself up for total disappointment! It's not as fast, doesn't handle as well, isn't as reliable, and costs more! F*** the $80k M3, you just paid $200 for a DVD player. That last paragraph of yours is the way we all feel. Lol! Congrats and welcome. Here's some advice: You will receive countless recommendations on how to spend thousands of dollars to make it better. You'll end up thousands of dollars poorer with a bike "better than it was". But that's ok. We love our Harleys!😭😭😭😭


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We are an Ohlin dealer and we just installed the Ohlins on the front and back of both shop bikes. All I can say is wow. The rear are the HD772's Black Line set up and are perfect. The front Ohlin cartridge setup with the Ohlin oil is a piece of art. I've never ridden a touring bike that rides the small imperfections in the road and the large bumps and such with such ease. Also, when you enter a sweeping curve with some real speed, the bikes are like they are on rails. No correcting what so ever thru out the curve and it just digs in a rides a true line the whole curve. It's nice to have that confidence when really getting after it.

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We are an Ohlin dealer and we just installed the Ohlins on the front and back of both shop bikes. All I can say is wow. The rear are the HD772's Black Line set up and are perfect. The front Ohlin cartridge setup with the Ohlin oil is a piece of art. I've never ridden a touring bike that rides the small imperfections in the road and the large bumps and such with such ease. Also, when you enter a sweeping curve with some real speed, the bikes are like they are on rails. No correcting what so ever thru out the curve and it just digs in a rides a true line the whole curve. It's nice to have that confidence when really getting after it.
Just curious as to cost. Say I or anyone who is somewhat mechanically inclined and could do all the work themselves what would the parts cost to do what you did to your shop bikes?
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Just curious as to cost. Say I or anyone who is somewhat mechanically inclined and could do all the work themselves what would the parts cost to do what you did to your shop bikes?
You would be looking at close to a grand total. PM me your phone number and I could give you the details and what it takes to install them. By the way, these are a work of art for sure.

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Is that for the front and Back? About $$$1K
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I'm next for ohlins and possible the Kraus ohlins internals with new trees (not out yet)
- 300miles on my 2016 Road Glide today man i love it but damn does it handle like dog shit! I have to get it handling good. I'm 175 # and got tossed all over today.
Didn't really budget to redo suspension right away. Guess pipes and tune are going on the back burner.

As funds are tight right now would you suggest upgrading the rears or the front first.

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Is that for the front and Back? About $$$1K
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