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6.5 speaker upgrade

So I was at a loud radio contest and I missed first place by 5 decibels. I'm pretty sure the other guy had at least a subwoofer as well as 4 tweeters. Now I also I would like to get more clarity at higher volume levels mine is OK but sometimes it's hard to hear the words when it's cracked up.

I was thinking of adding 2 tweeters and 2 subwoofers I don't know how much that will actually help I am NOT a sound guy.

So here is my setup I have 6 6.5 polt speakers as well as rockford pbr 4 channel amp 2 of them. I still have the stock speakers in the tour pack. 2 of the speakers are inside the fairing facing each other. I don't know if they make a slim subwoofer thats 6.5 inch what I was thinking of putting that in there in replace of speakers.

Looking for suggestions maybe even speaker recommendations, not looking to spend a small fortune I'm sure I can get a little bit more out of it by changing the set up a bit

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So I was at a loud radio contest and I missed first place by 5 decibels. I'm pretty sure the other guy had at least a subwoofer as well as 4 tweeters. Now I also I would like to get more clarity at higher volume levels mine is OK but sometimes it's hard to hear the words when it's cracked up.

I was thinking of adding 2 tweeters and 2 subwoofers I don't know how much that will actually help I am NOT a sound guy.

So here is my setup I have 6 6.5 polt speakers as well as rockford pbr 4 channel amp 2 of them. I still have the stock speakers in the tour pack. 2 of the speakers are inside the fairing facing each other. I don't know if they make a slim subwoofer thats 6.5 inch what I was thinking of putting that in there in replace of speakers.

Looking for suggestions maybe even speaker recommendations, not looking to spend a small fortune I'm sure I can get a little bit more out of it by changing the set up a bit

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First off, ditch the factory speakers and the pbr300x4 amps. Those speakers and that amp alone are holding your system back tremendously. And when speaking of the speakers you have, I am guessing you meant Polk and not polt. If they are polks, what model are they and where are they located. The PBR 4 channel amp is a dog. It only puts out 75 watts per channel which is barely enough to power a decent set of speakers.

Secondly, a subwoofer is not necessary. You will not get the bass you are expecting from a subwoofer on a bike. Period...end of discussion. If anyone is telling you otherwise, they are blowing smoke up your ass or just trying to get you to spend some money.

Finally, you made no mention of whether or not you still have the factory radio or if its been replaced with aftermarket. If you are still running the factory radio and wish to continue using it, i would suggest you at least send it out to iron cross to get the pre-amps installed on it. Also while its there they can do the bluetooth and any other upgrades you prefer. If you are willing to ditch the factory HK radio, you can go aftermarket and get a radio with all of the features you desire for about the same cost (give or take a few bucks) as the Iron Cross mods.

Now...it appears to me that you are just throwing as many speakers as possible at your bike with the hopes that it will be loud. There is a difference between just loud and having clarity. If loud is what you're after, just change out your amps to something more powerful and couple that with a new head unit and you'll meet your goals. If you want loud and clear, then some changes are in store. Also, adding additional sets of tweeters do nothing extra to the clarity of the sounds. A good quality pair of tweeters will sound much much better and will actually COMPLIMENT the music that you are listening to.

Now....I have no clue as to what your budget is. I do see that you prefer loud and CLEAR because you desire to hear at highway speeds and you wish to continue doing sound competitions. The key to it all is to focus your sounds to different parts of the bike. Your front stage should focus solely on mids and highs. The rears should be primarily setup for bass. Since you have rear speaker pods, you can also get some mids and highs there too.

I can only suggest to you what I have tried and what works for me. I have been through a few amps and a few different speaker combinations in order to find what sounds great to me. Here is what my current setup consists of....

1. Kenwood KDC-BT958HD head unit. Used Scosche installation kit and the Pac SWI adapter to keep stereo controls.

2. One pair of Infinity Kappa 62.11i 6.5 speakers. These are mounted in the front fairing using JL audio adapters. You can find cheaper adapters online but im telling you what I have.

3. One pair of Rokker Gauge mounted tweeters. These replace two gauges in the front fairing and sound incredible. I am feeding them with the 15 watts or so coming from the head unit. They are wired directly into the speaker wires on the bike.

4. Two pair in each bag of the Pioneer TS-D6902R. These are bass heavy speakers. They sound like they are trying to beat themselves out of the saddlebags. I have them installed facing the wheels.

5. One Soundstream TN4.900D amp pushing the Kappas up front. The kappas are rated at 225 watts max and this soundstream is giving them all they can handle (225 watts per channel times 4 channels). I plan to add a pair of kappa speakers to the lower fairing when I get paid again. These will be pushed by the remaining two channels on the amp.

6. One Soundstream TN2.600D. This amp is the one that powers the pioneers. Its rated at 300 watts per channel at 2 ohms. Since I am pushing 4 speakers with only a 2 channel amp, I ran the pioneers in parallel to the amp to drop the load to 2 ohms. The pioneers see 150 watts each which is about the MINIMUM I would send to those speakers. They LOVE power.

All told, I have roughly about a grand into the system in all these components. The total wattage output when I am done should be around 1500 watts...which is more than enough than I need. I am almost 100% sure that I would give most bikes a run for their money when it comes to sounds and such, but thats not why I built my system the way I did. I wanted to have the best value for my dollar and the components mentioned above fit my budget and my needs perfectly.

There are many other great options out there that can perform as well or better than my system but at what cost? Sure, I couldve gotten a cheaper stereo but I wanted 4v pre-outs and the one i have is the only model that frys had on the shelf. Thats about the only thing in my system that I would say could have been had for cheaper than what I paid.

Bottom line is this...keep doing your research and turn yourself into a copy cat. If you go out on your own trying to put something together that you think will outperform everyone else, good luck to you. Not saying it cant be done, but i have seen more failures from going that route (myself included) compared to the people who just copied what the next person did. Good luck and I hope you figure it out soon.

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i did replace the stock head unit with Kenwood DNN770HD

speaker placement is 6 in the front fairing and 2 speaker pods.. at some point I will get a 6x9..

I was looking at these speakers pioneer TS-M650PRO

BT4180 was a amp I was looking at as well 180 rms..

thanks for the write up.. !!!!!

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i did replace the stock head unit with Kenwood DNN770HD

speaker placement is 6 in the front fairing and 2 speaker pods.. at some point I will get a 6x9..

I was looking at these speakers pioneer TS-M650PRO

BT4180 was a amp I was looking at as well 180 rms..

thanks for the write up.. !!!!!
Those look impressive. Never heard of em. You should give em a shot and let us know how they handle. That BT4180 is one hell of an amp. I almost bought one but at $600 a whop i decided to go with the TN4.900D instead. It puts out 150 watts per channel compared to the 180 watts per channel of the 4180. But that extra 30 watts per channel will cost you about $300 more. Hell, I could replace the TN4.900 twice before I bought one of those. Plus, most places offer a 3 year extended warranty (specifically sonicelectronix.com).

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I went with the Biketronics 7.1's (front fairing) and a set of Kicker KSC 67's in the rear pods. I'm using a Soundstream 4.520 amp. Some people have issues with losing FM reception with this amp, but I haven't had any issues with that. For the HU, I'm using a Kenwood KRC X998. I also, have a V-Twin Audio rain shield. There's a million different options to use, it just depends on your budget.


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Only thing I'll add is for almost the same $$$$ Soundstream is the better amp, IMO.

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My Hertz ST35 tweeters will make your ears bleed. Running 4 6.5 Hertz SPL'S with Hertz HDp4 amp. Loud as HELL.

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So I think this is what I am looking at

2 Kicker COMPVT65 6.5Inch Subwoofer I know I wont get the bass as good on a bike but it is better than nothing.. Also the new speakers wont fit in that spot

6 pioneer TS-M650PRO Leaning toward these speakers. I heard them yesterday and with a good amp they are awesome. Placement of these will be 4 in the fairing and 2 in the tourpak.

2 Soundstream TN4.900D With the cost difference between this and the biketronics I am leaning in this direction

Thanks for all the help so far, Still collecting data so if anyone has an option or other ideas please chime in.
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So I think this is what I am looking at

2 Kicker COMPVT65 6.5Inch Subwoofer I know I wont get the bass as good on a bike but it is better than nothing.. Also the new speakers wont fit in that spot

6 pioneer TS-M650PRO Leaning toward these speakers. I heard them yesterday and with a good amp they are awesome. Placement of these will be 4 in the fairing and 2 in the tourpak.

2 Soundstream TN4.900D With the cost difference between this and the biketronics I am leaning in this direction

Thanks for all the help so far, Still collecting data so if anyone has an option or other ideas please chime in.
Here's what I would change to....

Eight Kappa 62.11i and keep the amps. Check the sensitivity of those kickers. The pioneers are a good choice as well. I truly believe that you are chasing a rabbit down a hole. The reason I say this is because you are thinking of using a 6.5 "woofer". A woofer on a bike is not going to work. There is not enough space for the woofer to be effective. I am truly starting to doubt those pioneers as well. Efficiency is the key to making a bike sound good. But hey...to each his own. I wish you nothing but the best and I am curious as to how this will sound once you get it all together.

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Here's what I would change to....

Eight Kappa 62.11i and keep the amps. Check the sensitivity of those kickers. The pioneers are a good choice as well. I truly believe that you are chasing a rabbit down a hole. The reason I say this is because you are thinking of using a 6.5 "woofer". A woofer on a bike is not going to work. There is not enough space for the woofer to be effective. I am truly starting to doubt those pioneers as well. Efficiency is the key to making a bike sound good. But hey...to each his own. I wish you nothing but the best and I am curious as to how this will sound once you get it all together.
I am always chasing the rabbit thats for sure,, Looked at those Kappas and they are nice and will fit well in the sides of the fairing..

How big is that amp Soundstream TN4.900D? I am curious about mounting space.
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