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So I wrecked my scoot. I'm working on getting her back together. As usual I've ran into paint troubles. My friend owes me money. His friend paints. I buy vivid black and activator from PcPain. The color is perfect. The guy calls my friend and says I gave him single stage paint but the parts I gave him with pin stripes were cleared when he sanded them off. He says "what do you want me to do, wait for you to get me clear or stick with single stage". I talk to the guy who painted my bike parts for me before with good results and he said "yeah it's single stage but you should clear it or it won't last" and when asked what kind of clear he says "regular clear...ppg something like that will work". The paint is layed on and Color sanded to perfection in my eye. No peel. Loving it. Overcast where I pick them up 30 miles home it's sunny. I pull them from the car and they're hazy. Look like chit.

Another friend that l trade service work on his scoot for his cleaning and buffing mine used the wrong stuff one time and it looked great when I picked it up but then same thing, when the sun came out it looked like someone sanded my whole bike. Took it back and he said he used the wrong compound for my paint. Had it looking spectacular in a couple hours. So I took him a lid yesterday and today calls me over and says there's nothing he can do. He believes it's the wrong clear for that paint or something like that. Suggested having the clear wet sanded off and re-cleared. He's not a painter by the way.

I'm about at the end of my rope with this vivid black. I'm tempted to save some money and have the whole sled painted pearl black. I really like vivid though. Any helpful advice would be greatly appreciated. Suggestions on local guys or shops that might be able to help where you've had good past experiences with that a aren't rapists...or worse SLOW rapists. Even just some moral support might be helpful. Photobucket seems to be down right now. I'll post up some pics when photobucket is back up and running. Unless someone here would let me text them 3 pics and upload them for me.


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So I wrecked my scoot. I'm working on getting her back together. As usual I've ran into paint troubles. My friend owes me money. His friend paints. I buy vivid black and activator from PcPain. The color is perfect. The guy calls my friend and says I gave him single stage paint but the parts I gave him with pin stripes were cleared when he sanded them off. He says "what do you want me to do, wait for you to get me clear or stick with single stage". I talk to the guy who painted my bike parts for me before with good results and he said "yeah it's single stage but you should clear it or it won't last" and when asked what kind of clear he says "regular clear...ppg something like that will work". The paint is layed on and Color sanded to perfection in my eye. No peel. Loving it. Overcast where I pick them up 30 miles home it's sunny. I pull them from the car and they're hazy. Look like chit.

Another friend that l trade service work on his scoot for his cleaning and buffing mine used the wrong stuff one time and it looked great when I picked it up but then same thing, when the sun came out it looked like someone sanded my whole bike. Took it back and he said he used the wrong compound for my paint. Had it looking spectacular in a couple hours. So I took him a lid yesterday and today calls me over and says there's nothing he can do. He believes it's the wrong clear for that paint or something like that. Suggested having the clear wet sanded off and re-cleared. He's not a painter by the way.

I'm about at the end of my rope with this vivid black. I'm tempted to save some money and have the whole sled painted pearl black. I really like vivid though. Any helpful advice would be greatly appreciated. Suggestions on local guys or shops that might be able to help where you've had good past experiences with that a aren't rapists...or worse SLOW rapists. Even just some moral support might be helpful. Photobucket seems to be down right now. I'll post up some pics when photobucket is back up and running. Unless someone here would let me text them 3 pics and upload them for me.
It's been awhile since I been in automotive painting, but single stage paint isn't supposed to be cleared. That's why it's called single stage. I've done plenty of single stage paint jobs that last just as long as base/ clear.
The paint probably wasn't completely cured when the clear was laid on. You might want to try to sun bake it for a couple days and re-buff the finish back out afterwards.
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It's been awhile since I been in automotive painting, but single stage paint isn't supposed to be cleared. That's why it's called single stage. I've done plenty of single stage paint jobs that last just as long as base/ clear.
The paint probably wasn't completely cured when the clear was laid on. You might want to try to sun bake it for a couple days and re-buff the finish back out afterwards.
Thanks for the response Gary. My question to you would be then if it's not supposed to be cleared then why was the factory vivid black cleared? This is all confusing to me as I know next to nothing about paint.


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Wrapped a couple pieces in bubble wrap to protect them on the drive home. It seems nearly anything that touches it for long will leave an imprint that doesn't wipe away. Even after my friend worked on a lid he said when he'd touch it with a finger it would leave what he called a void and wouldn't wipe away.



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The factory paint is a base coat/clear coat system, which means the color is the base coat, and it needs a compatible clear coat sprayed over the top of it. Even the denim paint is a base coat/clear coat system.
The best way I can describe a single stage paint is a rattle can in gloss black, which will very rarely look like a base coat/ clear coat paint job. Prep is everything in a paint job. If a single stage paint was used on your parts, then it probably wasn't made to accept a clear coat over the top of it, and it might be having some type of chemical reaction. Either way, I wouldn't be happy with the results you ended up with.
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The painter I used to paint my rear package let it dry for 7 days before he buffed.

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Thanks for the response Gary. My question to you would be then if it's not supposed to be cleared then why was the factory vivid black cleared? This is all confusing to me as I know next to nothing about paint.
You can clear over single stage paint if it's fully cured , using the correct clear. The single stage paint has the protective chemicals in it to block out harmful things such as UV rays , water, and dirt. The base color does Not. It needs the clear for protection.
Like Chief said, the MOCO probably uses base/ clear system on the bikes.
Try the Sun dry , I mentioned before anything else.
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I would say, let dry for several more days, then wet sand with 3000 grit. Clean it up then buff with a good 3m made for black buffing compound with a foam pad on a buffing wheel. If it can be fixed, this should do the trick. Once this is completed look at the finish. If no haze then put a good protective wax on it and enjoy.
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The factory paint is a base coat/clear coat system, which means the color is the base coat, and it needs a compatible clear coat sprayed over the top of it. Even the denim paint is a base coat/clear coat system.
The best way I can describe a single stage paint is a rattle can in gloss black, which will very rarely look like a base coat/ clear coat paint job. Prep is everything in a paint job. If a single stage paint was used on your parts, then it probably wasn't made to accept a clear coat over the top of it, and it might be having some type of chemical reaction. Either way, I wouldn't be happy with the results you ended up with.
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Have to wonder the. Why HD dealers are selling single stage paint if Milwaukee is using base/clear. No sir I am not happy with the results and there's no way something looking like that will end up on my bike.


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You can clear over single stage paint if it's fully cured , using the correct clear. The single stage paint has the protective chemicals in it to block out harmful things such as UV rays , water, and dirt. The base color does Not. It needs the clear for protection.
Like Chief said, the MOCO probably uses base/ clear system on the bikes.
Try the Sun dry , I mentioned before anything else.
I'd love to let it sun dry...if I had any. We don't have much of anything but rain around these parts this time of year.


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