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04-13-2019 07:57 PM
TulsaGlide Not interested, i havent been able use a warranty for anythi g ive ever bought not worried the epa or hd
04-13-2019 04:33 PM
Thermodyne Here it is, the "read and weep" letter the MoCo sends out.



That should just about cover the MoCo's position on all of this.
04-04-2019 09:45 PM
gtmedic
ALERT - Please read or you might void your HD warranty

Glad this thread went up. My dad came down the other day and we put his mustang on my lift and put on his new exhaust and did an oil change. To show his gratitude he gave me a V&H FP3.

I already ordered the AC and slip ons. Was hoping to put catless headers on for heat reduction.

Just looked at my H-D contract and will have to wait 4 years before I can use any of it. Didn’t realize I did the ESP.


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04-01-2019 04:30 PM
JoelCantControl Nevermind
04-01-2019 01:03 PM
Dragonback
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Originally Posted by gkt33 View Post
Gotta save the original map and upload back to the bike before taking it to the dealer.
I think I heard that they will know if it was Mapped by a different tuner anyways.. think the ECM will keep a log. ( big brother using tech) Since most of these device "marry" the bike guess there is a way to tell what flashed what and when..
04-01-2019 11:46 AM
Trendkill As usual, the devil's in the details....just something I wanted to throw out there:
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The definition of the powertrain in this instance pertains to the engine and all of its components, including the ECM (Engine Control Module), primary drive and transmission including all of its components.
04-01-2019 11:19 AM
Thermodyne
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Originally Posted by FLTRXS18 View Post
I read an article a couple of years ago that that mostly the auto manufacturers had an issue with the E15/25 requirement. Supposedly they stated the older/current models are not designed to handle those requirements and those vehicles where/are still under warranty. They also voiced their opinion that even old vehicles could not handle those requirements. If that is correct, would fuel manufacturers have to make both types of fuel to ensure older vehicles would not be damaged ?
All the gov does is mandate E25 for new light vehicles. The rest takes care of itself.

As demand for E25 goes up, the cost comes down. As demand for E10 goes down, the cost goes up. And at some level a tipping point is reached, it will no longer be profitable to supply E10 at the pump. Blender pumps will extend the life of E10, so long as the base fuel is E10. The moment the refineries decide to ship base fuel as E15 or E25, then the E10 is gone.

The factories were actually complaining about energy density (lack of) and the increased fuel economy standard. Basically needing more miles from fuel that will deliver less. As far as the existing vehicles, the technology to burn E85 as flex fuel pretty much says any vehicle can burn E25. Its just an issue of injector capacity and mapping, and perhaps a regulator and odd pieces. The end user would be faced with installing an E25 kit in his 17 mpg suv, turning it into a 11 mpg suv, or buying a new 40 mpg vehicle. And the epa smiles all the way to it next update of the standards.
04-01-2019 08:29 AM
Bruce00
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Originally Posted by Thermodyne View Post
If Trump looses in 2020, there is going to be a shakeup in the motor vehicle world the likes of which have never been seen. And that future most likely does not have hot rod Harleys in it. Look for E15, 40mpg fleet averages, and restrictions on light truck fuel sources. That's what the EPA was ready to roll out if 2016 had gone differently.

Their tier 2 was E25, and 42Mpg with fuel restrictions expanded to heavy trucks.

Trump rolled back what the EPA had already introduced. But it might not be politically feasible to continue down that path.
What most don't realize, is that those restrictions were rolled into the Auto bailouts, by the heavy handed actions of the obama administration.
04-01-2019 07:52 AM
FLTRXS18
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Originally Posted by Thermodyne View Post
If Trump looses in 2020, there is going to be a shakeup in the motor vehicle world the likes of which have never been seen. And that future most likely does not have hot rod Harleys in it. Look for E15, 40mpg fleet averages, and restrictions on light truck fuel sources. That's what the EPA was ready to roll out if 2016 had gone differently.

Their tier 2 was E25, and 42Mpg with fuel restrictions expanded to heavy trucks.

Trump rolled back what the EPA had already introduced. But it might not be politically feasible to continue down that path.
I read an article a couple of years ago that that mostly the auto manufacturers had an issue with the E15/25 requirement. Supposedly they stated the older/current models are not designed to handle those requirements and those vehicles where/are still under warranty. They also voiced their opinion that even old vehicles could not handle those requirements. If that is correct, would fuel manufacturers have to make both types of fuel to ensure older vehicles would not be damaged ?
04-01-2019 12:59 AM
JacktheBagger My 11 is my second EFI bike , first EFI was the 08 RG .. Always said I was keeping the '11 and not buying newer ..

Carb conversion looks better some days , but the EFI is nice .. Now if I had the spare pennies laying around to find another Tour Glide ..................
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