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05-01-2019 09:37 AM
wevsspot
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Originally Posted by V-man View Post
Lol - they fix some stuff, sometimes, and usually after only a couple tries...
We've never heard of this problem before.......... but all Harleys do that
05-01-2019 09:35 AM
rider17
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Originally Posted by Thermodyne View Post
We all bitch about the EPA. But without it you wouldn't be able to see half a mile in most cities.

Anyone remember LA or NYC in the 60's. Even sunny days were overcast. And that was with just a 1/4 of the vehicles on the road today.

You would go out and warm your 60's car up in the winter, and by the time you got the garage door open your eyes were watering.

How bout those cars they sold, late 70's up into the 90's. Some of them ran awful.

Ya we bitch when it impacts us directly, but the alternative would be worse.
So true, I went up to the panhandle of ID recently, spent a lot of time there as a kid in the 70s. I told my dad I had forgotten how beautiful it was up there. He said you didn't forget. When you were there the smelters were running full time and it wasn't beautiful. Oh, right. There is a reason they named the town Smelterville. EPA got that one right. Although it did put a lot of towns out of work.
05-01-2019 09:26 AM
rider17
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Originally Posted by jchar27 View Post
However, the warranty is not actually officially voided. The ECM is "flagged." This means HD can deny warranty claims, but ONLY for powertrain items. Radio, gps, speakers, power locks(CVO's) etc are all still covered, and they can't deny coverage to those, unless they can prove my PV caused my 7th saddlebag speaker to blow. (Yes, I've replaced 6, 3 each side, all under warranty. The most recent has an A after the part number, so my service guy thinks they may have fixed the issue with them blowing. I'll take their free speakers till their not covered then upgrade)

Additionally, they also have to prove that the aftermarket parts caused the failure. While fighting this may be an uphill battle, it is still a fight that may be worth having if your service manager is on your side.

Just my two cents.
THANK YOU! I have been having this argument with people forever. This is how the Manguson Moss Act interacts with the EPA Consent decree. They have to be able to show that your tuner caused the issue to deny coverage under the warranty. Your Tuner doesn't affect your clutch, brakes, oil leaks, etc. Less sky is falling and more logic is required.
04-30-2019 10:09 PM
Hammerhandle
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Originally Posted by RGKen View Post
I don't really care for the vent fix for the transfer issue either and I'm kinda surprised the EPA let them vent it like that. As far as the sumping issue, how is that a band-aid if it it works. Seems to me that it is a cure. What do you see as causing the sumping issue and how would you go about fixing it that would be a real fix and not just a band-aid?
The reason the primary vent probably isnt a big deal with the EPA is because the problem is the vacuum created that sucks the trans oil thru the clutch push rod, so In theory there shouldnt be any oil transfer to atmosphere being its stopping a vacuum issue.

To me a band aid is covering up a poor engineering issue. (not mention them denying it exists in the first place) Sumping is being caused by excessive crankcase pressure, not allowing oil to properly drain out, and be scavenged. Hence the band aid seal over the crank bearing forcing the crankcase pressure to force feed the oil pump.
Why do 110 TC's not see a common sumping issue, but 107 M8's do, and as you climb in CID, or performance the issue becomes amplified. (hence stage 3 and 4's being the most common)
Seems to be poor design IMO.

Look at Tman Performance, they have many methods they engineered to combat sumping because of poor design on Harleys part, is harley completely to blame, hell no alot has to do with forced EPA restrictions. Dont get me started on the EPA causing far more problems than they solve.
04-30-2019 12:28 AM
BoozefighterEasy Those flip fobs look bad ass! I gotta have one!
My warranty will be up soon enough, I will most likely have it voided with all the work I did to it myself, new cam and adjustable push rods, Rekluse clutch among other things! So here's my middle finger to the MoCo but my dealer says I have a life time warranty with them. It's cheaper for them to allow me to mod the bejesus outta my bikes because if I ever trade it in it won't sit long in the used aisle. I put a lot of shit on these bikes! I like the new stuff and will probably buy another one soon enough! Warranties are only as bad as the product!

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Originally Posted by RedRover View Post
With the Harley crowd, it seems to me that middle fingers are... how shall we say... 'part of the scenery." Could mean anything. Maybe he meant "please pick up some milk on the way home."

Meanwhile, that flip fob looks sweet. So much for getting that replacement dental crown... $$
04-29-2019 11:51 AM
Trendkill
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Originally Posted by RedRover View Post
With the Harley crowd, it seems to me that middle fingers are... how shall we say... 'part of the scenery." Could mean anything. Maybe he meant "please pick up some milk on the way home."

Meanwhile, that flip fob looks sweet. So much for getting that replacement dental crown... $$
I priced out the entire setup to put power locks on the saddlebags...it ain't pretty. It's awesome though If I could afford to do it I sure would.
04-29-2019 10:43 AM
RGKen
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Originally Posted by Hammerhandle View Post
Thank you Uncle Fuzzy.
I hoped people would understand I knew exactly what was gonna happen when I brought the bike in, but the info the tech told me was an eye opener, and I was Impressed he tried to help and keep the warranty intact.
Yes I shared the info hoping it might help others.


Three years into an engine, and they band aid the sumping issue with a seal, three years in and they bandaid the transfer issue with a Vent, CVO's and stage 3 and 4's have been grenading since august of 2016, if this was anyone else you wouldnt deal with it.


This isnt the land of the free any longer, its the land of you will take what i give you, and when i take it away, i dont wanna hear any bitching.

I don't really care for the vent fix for the transfer issue either and I'm kinda surprised the EPA let them vent it like that. As far as the sumping issue, how is that a band-aid if it it works. Seems to me that it is a cure. What do you see as causing the sumping issue and how would you go about fixing it that would be a real fix and not just a band-aid?
04-29-2019 10:24 AM
RedRover With the Harley crowd, it seems to me that middle fingers are... how shall we say... 'part of the scenery." Could mean anything. Maybe he meant "please pick up some milk on the way home."

Meanwhile, that flip fob looks sweet. So much for getting that replacement dental crown... $$
04-28-2019 02:56 PM
V-man
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Originally Posted by Hammerhandle View Post
Im sure they would, it sure would help there bottom line. That way they would never have to actual fix any problems properly..... oh wait they already do that.
Lol - they fix some stuff, sometimes, and usually after only a couple tries...
04-28-2019 11:09 AM
Hammerhandle
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Originally Posted by V-man View Post
Harley would be very happy to take that kind of middle finger from every customer they sell a new bike to, I'm sure.

Just sayin'...
Im sure they would, it sure would help there bottom line. That way they would never have to actual fix any problems properly..... oh wait they already do that.
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