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04-30-2019 08:27 AM
RGKen
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Originally Posted by Thermodyne View Post
Just an FYI, the twin cams can and do sump. They just don't run out of oil and blow up.

Most people never notice since the power isn't effected till about 4500 rpm. Usually it shows up on a dyno pull, or after a high pressure spring is installed with an oem pump. I've seen a few that wouldn't dead rev past 4000 rpm.

Yes I have actually heard of this but have never seen it myself. But again maybe never noticed one that did like you say. Might try and check a few more of them to see what I find.
04-30-2019 07:51 AM
Thermodyne
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Originally Posted by RGKen View Post
You have a TC motor correct? The TC's do not have the sumping issue like the M8's. They also don't have the fluid transfer like the M8's although a few years back I did see one TC that did.


@Hammerhandle , HD does not make a SE cam plate for the M8's and I'm not really sure it would do anything to help with the sumping issue if they did.


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Just an FYI, the twin cams can and do sump. They just don't run out of oil and blow up.

Most people never notice since the power isn't effected till about 4500 rpm. Usually it shows up on a dyno pull, or after a high pressure spring is installed with an oem pump. I've seen a few that wouldn't dead rev past 4000 rpm.
04-30-2019 01:09 AM
kiwidave I get that, but it appears there are 2 working fixes (H-D vent kit, MCC fatter clutch pushrod) and one of them is free under warranty and the other is less than a lobster dinner. Compare that to what we have already spent or will spend on accessories ;-)

I've lost another 6 fl oz in the 450 miles since the 1000 mile service but I'm just catching the derby cover spill and returning to the trans. No, it's not as it should be, but until the vent kit arrives it's no biggie to me and a lot less hassle than regular wrenching on my 1980 FX.

It does not affect the running of the bike. Which is awesome.
04-29-2019 06:57 AM
Wood
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Originally Posted by kiwidave View Post
Not yet. That kit is not being sent to Australian dealerships for another 5 weeks. But they are very happy to install as a warranty item no questions asked. I am the second customer at this dealer in line for one. The staff have been very helpful over this and I don't have any issues. Just monitoring trans oil level for another 5 weeks ;-)
Let us know how everything turns out. I am not buying an M8 because of this design flaw that the MOCO can't figure out.
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04-28-2019 07:59 PM
kiwidave
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Originally Posted by Wood View Post
Kiwidave,
Did the dealer install the primary vent kit?
Not yet. That kit is not being sent to Australian dealerships for another 5 weeks. But they are very happy to install as a warranty item no questions asked. I am the second customer at this dealer in line for one. The staff have been very helpful over this and I don't have any issues. Just monitoring trans oil level for another 5 weeks ;-)
04-28-2019 06:11 PM
gldlver
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Originally Posted by Skip Vargas View Post
I just got my bike back as promised from my dealer, MOCO expedited a new 114 motor top to bottom with new torque cam set and all gaskets, bolts, oil lines, and oil cooler and 1,000 mile service. My dealer and tech had to put a lot of time in on this claim with MOCO and there personal tech they had come out to the dealer and inspect the bike and motor.

All i can say is i hope this helps out someone else on any warranty issues, keep all logs and receipts and pictures and videos, but most of all. If you want to keep your warranty and you want a tuner for your bike you better stick with HD tuner until your warranty up...

They will be sending the damaged motor back MOCO to split the cases or send it to a school for techs, wasn't 100% sure of sumping or tranfering, but the scored lifter bore and scarred cylinders and the videos of me complaining of off beet clacking, ticking when warmed up and a chirping/squealing sound at cold starts.
Mine at cold idle on the stand will make a small chirping sound, i just assumed it was the rubber mounts because it always stops when I pick up the bike and never does it when its warm

maybe im wrong??? I have no transfer or sumping issues i know that as I have checked
04-28-2019 06:02 PM
Wood
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Originally Posted by kiwidave View Post
I am aware of and I am certainly keeping Greg's clutch pushrod in mind.....I will try the free warranty fix (vent kit) next time it happens...and then go to that pushrod if need be....but it's $170 all up to Australia so I will keep it cheap for starters.

Yeah it's not great for a new bike to have a clear design fault.

Kiwidave,
Did the dealer install the primary vent kit?
04-24-2019 03:56 PM
Skip Vargas I just got my bike back as promised from my dealer, MOCO expedited a new 114 motor top to bottom with new torque cam set and all gaskets, bolts, oil lines, and oil cooler and 1,000 mile service. My dealer and tech had to put a lot of time in on this claim with MOCO and there personal tech they had come out to the dealer and inspect the bike and motor.

All i can say is i hope this helps out someone else on any warranty issues, keep all logs and receipts and pictures and videos, but most of all. If you want to keep your warranty and you want a tuner for your bike you better stick with HD tuner until your warranty up...

They will be sending the damaged motor back MOCO to split the cases or send it to a school for techs, wasn't 100% sure of sumping or tranfering, but the scored lifter bore and scarred cylinders and the videos of me complaining of off beet clacking, ticking when warmed up and a chirping/squealing sound at cold starts.
04-24-2019 01:52 AM
RGKen
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Originally Posted by mastergunnera8 View Post
I changed out my camplate and pump to the SE orange one... when my bike had a lifter issue at 500mi...Havent had any issues...


You have a TC motor correct? The TC's do not have the sumping issue like the M8's. They also don't have the fluid transfer like the M8's although a few years back I did see one TC that did.


@Hammerhandle , HD does not make a SE cam plate for the M8's and I'm not really sure it would do anything to help with the sumping issue if they did.


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04-23-2019 11:52 PM
Hammerhandle
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Originally Posted by RGKen View Post
S&S oil pump and cam plate. Haven't heard of a single sumping issue with either of those upgrades.
Well, now you have.
After a stage 2, which included the S&S cam plate and pump, Mine sumped, and still does with to much stop and go, or idling. (yet I believe the S&S pump has saved the engine)
I installed a homemade vent in the factory dipstick, which cured the issue, until It started to fill the vent with oil.
In my opinion, why my homemade vent did not continue to work was because under hard acceleration, the oil sloshes back and the excess pressure begins to push oil up the vent tube, then cannot continue to clear the oil out of the tube.
I have considered reinstalling the HD pump (with the seal that came on my 19) and get a SE cam plate, but I want to consult S&S and Fuel Moto first since they build even bigger engines that dont seem to have the issue.

I do have a very clear give away when it sumps as to what the cause is. My FM typhoon clear cover will get oil sprayed onto the window from the vents.
I am considering enlarging the holes in the S&S/FM ac/dc AC banjo bolts, as well as re doing my homemade vent in a new dipstick as i broke the original during modification.

I would love to do the fueling vent, or the A1 vent, since the A1 now comes in black, but I am trying to save $$$ because i have a huge life change coming in a month.
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