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Yep... Brand new bike. Got it with 8km on the clock.

Now I have 300. But I have noticed excessive vibration in the tour pak at all speeds. Also when accelerating over 3,000 rpm (shifting)... or role on from 2,600+rpm the engine is lagging. Just does not sound right. Sounds kinda hollow or boggy??

I checked for codes... all are "None". I tightened all shock bolts and fender attachments. Tightened tour pak mount.

My wife noticed that the backrest vibrated uncomfortably at any speed. It was better at about 2,600 rpm but got worse again at 3,000+.

When accelerating with load the engine sounds hollow? All my other baggers were smooth all the way up to 4,000+. This one just feels rough.

Running to lean?? Throttle body leak??? Motor mount??? Front linkage? Exhaust gasket leak??

Ever heard anything like this???

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Yep... Brand new bike. Got it with 8km on the clock.

Now I have 300. But I have noticed excessive vibration in the tour pak at all speeds. Also when accelerating over 3,000 rpm (shifting)... or role on from 2,600+rpm the engine is lagging. Just does not sound right. Sounds kinda hollow or boggy??

I checked for codes... all are "None". I tightened all shock bolts and fender attachments. Tightened tour pak mount.

My wife noticed that the backrest vibrated uncomfortably at any speed. It was better at about 2,600 rpm but got worse again at 3,000+.

When accelerating with load the engine sounds hollow? All my other baggers were smooth all the way up to 4,000+. This one just feels rough.

Running to lean?? Throttle body leak??? Motor mount??? Front linkage? Exhaust gasket leak??

Ever heard anything like this???

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Sounds like the dealership you bought the bike from has some work to do to make it right!
 
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Check that both plug wires are on properly

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Yep, make use of that factory warranty!

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I also feel that the idle is a little rough...

I have an appointment Monday Morning 10am for a quick inspection and a full appointment if needed for Thursday Morning.

A little odd I know... but I originally called and settled on Thursday . Then I went over the bike and found the rear shock bolts were not to torque. With a hand wrench I could turn the head almost a full turn. I called back for a torque spec and they said bring it in Monday and they would go over it and keep the Thursday appointment open if needed.

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Wow so much for the pre delivery check
 
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I did find a few bolts not torqued correctly but nothing that would cause the issues.

Simply put... On acceleration (roll on) from 2600-3100 rpm the bike has a very deep vibration right up through the handlebars.

If I change gears around 2700 rpm its not bad...and if I'm up over 3500 rpm it really pulls (only tried that a few times). But if you are cruising along at 2600 rpm and accel up through 3100+ ... the vibes are there.

Given this I'mm tending to think Throttle body???

It goes in on Thursday for a head to toe eval. If they say there is nothing wrong... they can keep it! ... If they find something obvious... I'll ask for the PDI back :)
 

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Probly a dumb thought here, BUT- I've got the same bike- And according to the Owners Manual, there's the "break-in" period the 1st 500 miles where you gotta keep an eye on the RPM's. I'm sure you did that, but maybe it has something to do with the problems? Luckily I'm not experiencing any of those issues
 

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Good point.....

Yep... under 3,000 for the most part... mid range shifting... 2600 rpm. No prolonged rpm's. Short bursts up over 3,000 a few times on Accel.

It had 8km's on it when I rolled it off the lot. These issues were from the very first gear changes. I rarely go near 3,000 rpm. Its never been near 3500 yet. I did get up to 120 kph for a few seconds but then down to 110 (2700rpm). I think I read somewhere that at the 3,000 rpm mark something happens in the throttle body?? I have 460 km on it now. Most of that was country road riding at between 2500-2800 rpm up and down.

Its pretty good at those ranges... but anything over and the whole tone of the motor changes and the vibrations set it (while under load). As soon as you lay off the accel... the vibrations go away and the engine sounds normal again.

I guess we will see ??
 

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I can't wait to find out what the stealership comes up with! Be sure to let us know
 

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The Dealer almost was about to say (from their Tech Specialist) "It's a Harley... It's Normal".... when I beat him to the punchline.

Then it was a series of Punch - Counter-punch snip-its...

Things like... its a 103... you are not used to it??

... Its got TBW... you're not used to it...

... Its got heavier lowers... you're not used to them... they echo sounds!!!!!

Then after counting to 10... and reminding them of a few things... He said "The only thing I found was that the crossover pipe was misaligned and a little loose.

Then it just went downhill from there...

We agreed to disagree and I said... Then really you have no idea right?? And their answer is the standard... its within spec crap.

So I agreed to have my concerns noted and would be keeping a close eye on developments...

Then the Counter guy tries to make me feel better by saying... "Well We have decided not to charge you for this visit and the tech's time"!!!! ..... Well... I completely lost it... The Sales Manager got involved as did the Gen. Manager . It was not pretty.

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I drove the bike a few days and it did ride a lot better. The loud popping sounds were not as evident and the power band was a little smoother....

Then my grown daughters visited and wanted a ride on the new bike. They are about 5'6". After about a 20 minute ride... both had the same reaction....

"You've got to be kidding me?" They both hated the ride. The wind struck them right in the cheeks and the backrest vibrated like a bad motel bed between 1800-2200 rpm. They both said that all my other bikes (2007, 2009, 2010) were way smoother .

So now I will be going back to the Dealer on Tuesday and insisting on a true test ride from the Sales guy as I ride one of their demo bikes. I am convinced this new FLTRU rides far worse than any of the 6 I rode before I decided to buy this one.
 

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let us know how that test ride goes. maybe take a peek at the rear pulley alignment and bolts. also to me sounds like possible bad shocks.... for the bad vibration. but as it goes away etc.. could be eng mounts or all kinds of things. If they test ride it with you and can duplicate the issue but the tech cant accommodate a repair then i would ask for a possible bike swap. If that's not a option then maybe start swapping out parts. I would start with a coiled shock "on their dime" and go from there.
 

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If it's noticeable, it's probably a problem.

If this is your first HD, it CAN partly be attributed to expectations, but it should STILL feel like a smooth, enjoyable, ride.

When I started riding Harleys years ago, I was totally underwhelmed with its power or lack thereof. You'll see all sorts of HP#s and such on this and other forums, but IMO, they are all but meaningless on a 900lb touring bike. Running smoothly is a whole other animal though. It should absolutely be smooth. Backfiring or decel popping in stock config is a problem.

Good luck with the dealer.


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If it's noticeable, it's probably a problem.

If this is your first HD, it CAN partly be attributed to expectations, but it should STILL feel like a smooth, enjoyable, ride.

Good luck with the dealer.
Sorry... I've had Harley's all my life. But this is my first Canadian Bike in 30 years. I have had 4 FLHTP's in the past 4 years... 2007, 2009, 2010 and another 2009. I just sold my last 2009 3 months ago... 82 mph was like glass smooth :) ... or about 3100 rpm in 6th. But they all were Putt Putt smooth at 2100-2200 rpm...

I guess one of my other main issues is that I'm going to have to spend about $1,000 CDN on a windshield and new seat just so that my passengers have a non "Bobble-Head" ride :)

One of my first questions will be about an ECM re-Flash.
 

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Sorry... I've had Harley's all my life. But this is my first Canadian Bike in 30 years. I have had 4 FLHTP's in the past 4 years... 2007, 2009, 2010 and another 2009. I just sold my last 2009 3 months ago... 82 mph was like glass smooth :) ... or about 3100 rpm in 6th. But they all were Putt Putt smooth at 2100-2200 rpm...

I guess one of my other main issues is that I'm going to have to spend about $1,000 CDN on a windshield and new seat just so that my passengers have a non "Bobble-Head" ride :)

One of my first questions will be about an ECM re-Flash.

If you've been riding HD that long, you know how it should feel. Maybe try another dealer.


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The Dealer almost was about to say (from their Tech Specialist) "It's a Harley... It's Normal".... when I beat him to the punchline.

Then it was a series of Punch - Counter-punch snip-its...

Things like... its a 103... you are not used to it??

... Its got TBW... you're not used to it...

... Its got heavier lowers... you're not used to them... they echo sounds!!!!!

Then after counting to 10... and reminding them of a few things... He said "The only thing I found was that the crossover pipe was misaligned and a little loose.

Then it just went downhill from there...

We agreed to disagree and I said... Then really you have no idea right?? And their answer is the standard... its within spec crap.

So I agreed to have my concerns noted and would be keeping a close eye on developments...

Then the Counter guy tries to make me feel better by saying... "Well We have decided not to charge you for this visit and the tech's time"!!!! ..... Well... I completely lost it... The Sales Manager got involved as did the Gen. Manager . It was not pretty.
I must commend your behavior, gorillaman, acting like a gentleman when feeling like breaking some skulls – going true "silver-back" on 'em! :D

I just hate it when they try their BS-routine thinking all their customers don't know jack-sh*t about motors and mechanics.

The local MoCo did a shoddy job on my FLTRSEI at a dyno-run charging top $$. Telling me: "that's the best we can do, you got an old bike with a sh*tty EFI just deal with it – and all Harleys make some decel-pops when putting on somethin' else than the OEM air-intake and pipes..".
Oh, really!!!! So it has nothing to do with the tune then... :frown:
 

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That kind of attitude would burn anyone up. Can you give a hint as to which dealer location, say,,,,, between Napanee and Gananoque? Maybe this is a good time to purchase the extended warranty. (or a deferent brand) I have been on test rides of the 2015 RG. They seemed smoother than my 2006, which is what I expect. Have not been on a 2016 yet.
 

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Look for a bolt or nut jammed in between the drive train and the frame. That can cause a lot of vibration, but it wouldn't account for you loss of power.
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I have the same bike, 16 RGU. I came off of a Gold Wing so I know what smooth is. I was impressed yesterday how smooth the RGU was at 85 MPH. Lots of power up to 5000 rpm. ( That's as far as I've gone.) Seems like the bike gets stronger the higher the rpm's get. Sounds like there is a real problem with your bike. Good luck.
 

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16RGU here too. Smooth pull from idle on up over 85. If you aren't getting that kind of performance, there certainly is something wrong. By your description of a hollow sounds motor, I'm thinking it's in limp mode and won't come back out. Not sure how to check that though. You can put it into limp mode by rolling back the throttle past the idle position and hold it there until you feel it kick in. I hope you aren't doing that by accident on start up each time. As for getting a dyno done at a Harley dealer, that's like getting brain surgery at a tattoo shop. Ask around for a good indy.
 
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