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I hate to put a damper on the enthusiasm, but the best thing that amp is good for is a paperweight. The 300x2 was a cheap way to upgrade audio on 13 and down bikes with 2 ohm speakers. It was the first amp I used on a bike and for an economy upgrade it was ok. A lot of folks assume that if the 300x2 was decent than the 300x4 should be ok as well, but that's not the case - especially on 14 and up bikes. Both the 300x2 and 300x4 run hot as hell, especially if you work them hard. They perform better with hi level speaker inputs than RCAs meaning you will have to have a special connector made or cut your factory harness and they won't work well with line levelers on the Rushmore bikes (compared to the performance of other amps). It also only pushes 75W at 4ohm - way under powered for any decent 4 ohm speaker.

The CV B54 and a couple of the soundstream options are much better entry level 4 channel amps at relatively low prices. Again, the 300x2 was acceptable with 2 ohm speakers in primarily 13 and down bikes. The 300x4 is a flat out turd. Save your money and spend a few more bucks on better equipment and you'll be much happier in the long run.
 

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I hate to put a damper on the enthusiasm, but the best thing that amp is good for is a paperweight. The 300x2 was a cheap way to upgrade audio on 13 and down bikes with 2 ohm speakers. It was the first amp I used on a bike and for an economy upgrade it was ok. A lot of folks assume that if the 300x2 was decent than the 300x4 should be ok as well, but that's not the case - especially on 14 and up bikes. Both the 300x2 and 300x4 run hot as hell, especially if you work them hard. They perform better with hi level speaker inputs than RCAs meaning you will have to have a special connector made or cut your factory harness and they won't work well with line levelers on the Rushmore bikes (compared to the performance of other amps). It also only pushes 75W at 4ohm - way under powered for any decent 4 ohm speaker.

The CV B54 and a couple of the soundstream options are much better entry level 4 channel amps at relatively low prices. Again, the 300x2 was acceptable with 2 ohm speakers in primarily 13 and down bikes. The 300x4 is a flat out turd. Save your money and spend a few more bucks on better equipment and you'll be much happier in the long run.

Well that about sums it up. Its too bad because its a really good price, but it would be money poorly spent. As Roadie said, look at the Cerwin Vega bomber series and the Soundstream Nano series. Much better bang for the buck IMO.


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Man at 676 reviews being 4 stars, first two that are most recent are some one on a 2015 & 2016 Harleys, I do see some one also talking about how it runs hot so that is something to consider, I am no audio expert at all (I honestly probably won't notice the difference), but stats are still stats, but I can understand there are always going to be better options especially when it comes to peoples preferences.

Like I said I am no audio expert but I do a lot of my decisions off of stats and I have a pretty good life from it :D, plus if I had more funds of course I would go out and get a better amp, 90 bucks is pretty hard to beat though, do you guys really feel the Nano's are better, some are just 10-20 bucks more which seems more realistic than going out and spending an extra 100 bucks on something else. :confused:

I have 2013 Road Glide custom (converting into an ultra basically), upgrading from 2 aftermarket speakers and changing stock to aftermarket head unit and 4 more speakers.

I do appreciate you guys giving a heads up on your experience though!
 

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At $158 on Amazon the soundstream pn4.1000D is exponentially better than the 300x4, should fit nicely with some velcro between the glove box and inner fairing wall. Check out the classifieds and the audio section at the other forum and you may get an excellent mid-level amp pretty cheap - lots of folks are starting their winter upgrades and gently used stuff available on a regular basis.

I'm not sure from your post - are you going to 4 new speakers total or keeping the 2 you have and adding 4 more for 6 total? Great move going to aftermarket HU, much better sound quality and features than the stock unit no matter what you go with.
 

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We'll, I'm far, really far, from being an audio expert. I'm currently running a bridged Soundstream Nano PN4.520D, pushing a pair of Arc Audio 602V2 fairing
speakers . The amp is 520 watts and was $106 to my door. I've run it for 2 years in my Rushmore.
 

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I'm no audio expert either but I noticed the difference. Had one in my 11 RG and it drove me nuts. OK at lower volume but at highway speed it clipped like crazy. Get very hot at high volume. Also it is a great price but they were only about $180 when they came out. If you figure in that you won't like it and will toss it after a couple months it ain't that great a price.
 

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Great info Roadie!

Great now I am gonna be looking up more info ....... :frown:

Yes, I currently have 2 Arc 6.5 pushed by the Rockford pbr 300x2, so I am getting another amp, and adding 4 more for a total of 6 speakers, just seems easier and more beneficial for an aftermarket head unit.

Speakers going in front fairing, lowers, and my tour pack pods (don't have the funds for speaker lids right at the moment), crazy how much stuff is out there.
 

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Which arc speakers do you currently have? Definitely focus on your front fairing as that’s where most of your sound is coming from. SPR 60 speakers are dirt cheap and fit nicely in the pods and don’t sound too bad. I’ve run other stuff in the pods but they all wash out so quick I don’t really sweat it. They’re more for the passenger and she’s on her own bike 99% of the time anyways, don’t know if that applies to you or not. A lot of guys go with a high sensitivity speaker in the lowers to add some volume at speed.


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We'll, I'm far, really far, from being an audio expert. I'm currently running a bridged Soundstream Nano PN4.520D, pushing a pair of Arc Audio 602V2 fairing
speakers . The amp is 520 watts and was $106 to my door. I've run it for 2 years in my Rushmore.


The arc 602s are still my favorite coax speaker and they really love power. I wish they had a higher sensitivity, but IMHO a great mix of mid range punch and sound quality. I went to components a while ago but highly recommend the 602s.


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We'll Roadie, you got my attention when you posted about the Soundstream PN.4 1000D. Would the Arc Audio 602V2 be able to handle 500 watts each bridged into just 2 fairing speakers, or should I stay with my current Soundstream bridged 520 watts amp? I'd like more volume at highway speed. Currently the gain is set at 1 o'clock. Maybe just turn it up. I'm down until at least March, but I'm trying to gather information.
 

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We'll Roadie, you got my attention when you posted about the Soundstream PN.4 1000D. Would the Arc Audio 602V2 be able to handle 500 watts each bridged into just 2 fairing speakers, or should I stay with my current Soundstream bridged 520 watts amp? I'd like more volume at highway speed. Currently the gain is set at 1 o'clock. Maybe just turn it up. I'm down until at least March, but I'm trying to gather information.
Personally (keep in mind that I'm not an expert by anyone's definition) I'd stick with the 520D bridged. My rule of thumb for the 602s was they sound good at 150, great at 175, and they really scream at 190-200. I never went above 200W with them and don't know how long they would last with prolonged power above that level, but they took 200W on a regular basis with no problem. I used a Steve Meade DD-1 distortion meter to find the max distortion free power on my amp and then tuned by DMM to make sure I didn't exceed 200W. Assuming that the 520D can hit 200W bridged distortion free and the published bridged rating of 260W that gives you plenty of space to send the 602s all the power they need plus some head room so the amp isn't working itself to death when you crank it up. I'm not a huge fan of the fixed crossover at 80hz on the soundstream amps, but it is what it is and you'd be in the same boat with the 1000D.
 

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Which arc speakers do you currently have? Definitely focus on your front fairing as that’s where most of your sound is coming from. SPR 60 speakers are dirt cheap and fit nicely in the pods and don’t sound too bad. I’ve run other stuff in the pods but they all wash out so quick I don’t really sweat it. They’re more for the passenger and she’s on her own bike 99% of the time anyways, don’t know if that applies to you or not. A lot of guys go with a high sensitivity speaker in the lowers to add some volume at speed.


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I didn’t check the specifics on which speakers they were yet, just took off the fairing and saw the set up but didn’t do any research till now, because I wasn’t able to change anything till now, however I’ll be tearing the bike down since here in KC it’s winter :( so I got at least a few months before it becomes rideable weather again.

I am only putting better speakers in the tour pack pods because the ole lady can’t really hear the music and we are planning on a long trip this summer, lol I told her just Incase make sure u got head phones ;)

But I’m sure with a 6 speaker setup it will be better than just 2.


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I didn’t check the specifics on which speakers they were yet, just took off the fairing and saw the set up but didn’t do any research till now, because I wasn’t able to change anything till now, however I’ll be tearing the bike down since here in KC it’s winter :( so I got at least a few months before it becomes rideable weather again.

I am only putting better speakers in the tour pack pods because the ole lady can’t really hear the music and we are planning on a long trip this summer, lol I told her just Incase make sure u got head phones ;)

But I’m sure with a 6 speaker setup it will be better than just 2.


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I know the feeling. Too much snow already this year and temps this week are way too far below zero for December. Lots of options and I'm sure it will work out for you. Personally I'm not a big fan of lowers, would rather spend that money on making the front fairing as stout as possible. The good news is there are plenty of ways to skin the cat and anything is better than stock.
 

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I know the feeling. Too much snow already this year and temps this week are way too far below zero for December. Lots of options and I'm sure it will work out for you. Personally I'm not a big fan of lowers, would rather spend that money on making the front fairing as stout as possible. The good news is there are plenty of ways to skin the cat and anything is better than stock.


Lol I figured lowers are like front fairing, long time ago (maybe only 10 years) I thought front fairing was something I would never get, then I got a shark lol, so figured I could try lowers and see if I like em, so we will see what happens, it’s like prison...... nm inside voice got out again.


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IIRC most speakers are conservatively rated, power wise. The reason for it as was explained to me a long time ago by someone at the JBL pro audio office when I inquired about the 200 watt rating of a 15", 8", Peizzo horn, studio monitor was so that if you powered it by a piece of shit amp, you probably wouldnt destroy the speaker. I was pushing more than 2.5 times the rated power to them but it was extremely "clean" power (ie extremely low total harmonic distortion) and when I informed them of the amp I wanted to use I was told "Oh, shit, turn that amp up, the monitors will love it" LOL.

Not all things are created equal, and sometimes its worth it to spend a bit more money to get better quality.


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IIRC most speakers are conservatively rated, power wise. The reason for it as was explained to me a long time ago by someone at the JBL pro audio office when I inquired about the 200 watt rating of a 15", 8", Peizzo horn, studio monitor was so that if you powered it by a piece of shit amp, you probably wouldnt destroy the speaker. I was pushing more than 2.5 times the rated power to them but it was extremely "clean" power (ie extremely low total harmonic distortion) and when I informed them of the amp I wanted to use I was told "Oh, shit, turn that amp up, the monitors will love it" LOL.

Not all things are created equal, and sometimes its worth it to spend a bit more money to get better quality.


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I think you're spot on here Mike. Distortion is a speaker killer and without someone that has direct knowledge of a particular speaker's ability to handle power at XXX level it can be a tough decision. Some manufacturers definitely low ball the ratings (most likely to avoid warranty issues) and than there are some that must have been stoned when they published their ratings because they are through the roof. When it comes to amps I understand there a lot of folks making amps for other folks and just rebranding them, but without tearing one apart it's hard to see the difference in cost. Two amps may look very similar on the outside and even have similar ratings on the box, but the difference in quality of components under the shell makes a huge difference. I don't need the biggest baddest system out there - it is a bike after all, but I'm willing to pay more for quality and it does make a difference going down the road.
 

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Army12b - I forgot to add that the SS may kill your FM reception. Don't know if that's a big deal for you or not.

Bucketlist - did you lose FM with the 520?
 
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