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Finally taking the bike in this weekend for a stage 2 upgrade.
Gonna drop it of Saturday and due to my work schedule and distance from the dealership i will pick it up the following saturday... Cant Wait !!
After heavy consideration I am opting for the torque cam i/o the higher rpm power cam .

The deciding factor happened a few nites ago.
It was just after 11pm so traffic on the Interstate was light. I was doing my usual 80mph cruising in the fast lane listening to my tunes as I passed slower traffic.
After a few miles I found my self playing tag with a chevy camaro that Im guessing wanted to see how far I would go. Anyways, I had one or two of those WTF am i doing moments. I sneaked a peek at the speedometer and my needle was pegged way down there...LOL
I must have been doing 110+ ..

Yup.. It was from that moment I decided I better stay with Stoplite to Stoplite speed and avoid being disintegrated on the highway...
Anyways, I can't wait to see the difference with the bike. Its pretty torqy (is that a word?) now...
If if gets any Torquier ( how about this one.. is that a word?) I may be needing a driver backrest to keep me on the bike... :wink:

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Finally taking the bike in this weekend for a stage 2 upgrade.
Gonna drop it of Saturday and due to my work schedule and distance from the dealership i will pick it up the following saturday... Cant Wait !!
After heavy consideration I am opting for the torque cam i/o the higher rpm power cam .

The deciding factor happened a few nites ago.
It was just after 11pm so traffic on the Interstate was light. I was doing my usual 80mph cruising in the fast lane listening to my tunes as I passed slower traffic.
After a few miles I found my self playing tag with a chevy camaro that Im guessing wanted to see how far I would go. Anyways, I had one or two of those WTF am i doing moments. I sneaked a peek at the speedometer and my needle was pegged way down there...LOL
I must have been doing 110+ ..

Yup.. It was from that moment I decided I better stay with Stoplite to Stoplite speed and avoid being disintegrated on the highway...
Anyways, I can't wait to see the difference with the bike. Its pretty torqy (is that a word?) now...
If if gets any Torquier ( how about this one.. is that a word?) I may be needing a driver backrest to keep me on the bike... :wink:

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I think overall the torque cam is best for most people since there is a speed limiter at 110mph anyway. It might go to 120mph with Stage II because that's where my FXFBS with the Tq cam was at. I am on the fence too because I loved the Tq cam in the FXFBS and I didn't have any issue with rolling on from cruising on the freeway at 80mph. Some say that's why they like the power cam and I'm sure it has more from there on up but like I say, unless you are going to use an aftermarket tuner and get rid of the speed limiter I just don't see getting the most out of the power cam. I may try it just to see anyway. Good luck and let us know how you like the new cam.
 

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Well picked up the bike from the dealer last nite after work.
Here are the final numbers from the dyno run. To be honest I was expecting a little more on both torque and hp #s.
I was hoping for 110+ torque ( although pretty close) and mid to high 90 hp.
You guys tell me. Was I expecting too much?
V&H true duals,CFR mufflers, SE Heavy breather, and the SE street tuner.
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Bike is running a lot cooler. As for the performance I really couldn't fully test it on the drive home being it was rush hour with bumper to bumper.
What is obvious is that now with the true duals and no catalytic it is much louder than what I would have liked.
Im not sure if my CFR mufflers have an option to swap to "quieter" baffles. :grin:
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Were you expecting too much- Yes and no....... I think the numbers that you're looking for are reasonable and to be expected out of an upgrade, however I think you're asking too much from an SE cam installed at the dealer, with their EPA regulated tune. I still think you have some performance left on the table because everything tuned at HD, with their SE tuner, is going to be watered down and conservative.

I will be interested to see how you feel after a few rides where you've had time to test things out. Let us know what YOU think!!!

Best of luck and keep the wheels on the road!
 

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Bike is running a lot cooler. As for the performance I really couldn't fully test it on the drive home ---
Burn that Dyno sheet it's worthless, people spend $$$$$$$$$$ chasing numbers. Let the seat of your pants judge if you're happy or not. Also your sacrificing torque for sound, I got rid of my CFR's and got some noticeable torque back. I can tell you with my Stage 2 i gotta hold on tight when i twist that throttle and I'm satisfied.
 

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Burn that Dyno sheet it's worthless, people spend $$$$$$$$$$ chasing numbers.
I disagree....numbers, yes, I get your point but a good dyno tune can eliminate dips and drops and flats spots - 99% will look at the #s and THEN the lines......I look for a good pull and see where the power comes on and for how long and if it incurs any dips........then I look at the final numbers - A good sheet can say a LOT about a tune
 

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I disagree....numbers, yes, I get your point but a good dyno tune can eliminate dips and drops and flats spots - 99% will look at the #s and THEN the lines......I look for a good pull and see where the power comes on and for how long and if it incurs any dips........then I look at the final numbers - A good sheet can say a LOT about a tune

I agree with what you are saying but looking at a dyno sheet for a power pull to get max numbers isn't going to tell you the bike is going to be tuned great for your riding style and conditions in all ranges. Yes the power curve needs to look good but there is SOOOO much more to be tuned that will not show up on that sheet.

OP- It's OK to have some numbers in mind on where you would like your bike to be but this is where you need to have that discussion with your builder so he can recommend what needs to be done to get you there. It's also very relative to what elevation you are at, what the humidity is, and what condition the dyno is in. You could take your bike right now to a different Dyno and get higher number matching what you are looking for just because conditions are different.
 

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Well picked up the bike from the dealer last nite after work.
Here are the final numbers from the dyno run. To be honest I was expecting a little more on both torque and hp #s.
I was hoping for 110+ torque ( although pretty close) and mid to high 90 hp.
You guys tell me. Was I expecting too much?
V&H true duals,CFR mufflers, SE Heavy breather, and the SE street tuner.
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Bike is running a lot cooler. As for the performance I really couldn't fully test it on the drive home being it was rush hour with bumper to bumper.
What is obvious is that now with the true duals and no catalytic it is much louder than what I would have liked.
Im not sure if my CFR mufflers have an option to swap to "quieter" baffles. :grin:
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There went that extra torque you were looking for. The sheet looks great especially with the CFRs on it. Most of those I see have a dip in them. Not sure that's the best headpipe for torque.
 

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I would agree that there is more to be gotten if you do a different tuner. But for the se tuner I think that will be it. Curious what it would look like with a different head pipe but I am a sucker for the dresser duals myself. Happy to see some Dyno sheets with duals.

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I disagree....numbers, yes, I get your point but a good dyno tune can eliminate dips and drops and flats spots - 99% will look at the #s and THEN the lines......I look for a good pull and see where the power comes on and for how long and if it incurs any dips........then I look at the final numbers - A good sheet can say a LOT about a tune
I agree with Eddie on this one. Way more to it then numbers, and don't throw the sheet in the trash
 

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Ill put a D&D or Freedom 2/1 up against a CFR any day. Hp and tq. The Cfr's sound awesome but how awesome is it eating my dust and riding my coat tails? Im gonna be honest. Your not going to like it... Go for performance and not sound...
 

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Don't forget the Drago 2!
 

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I did a non HD cam and tuner on mine. Running an S&S headpipe with CFR mufflers, and an S&S 475 tuned with Powervision and ended up at 108hp/115tq. Sounds amazing and get complements all the time but has no low end tq. Will be doing a big bore soon and switch to a D&D billetcat.
 
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