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Are the Hertz 6.5" Speakers worth it? Trying to stay under 800 on sound upgrade.

Before you answer this question let me clarify. I know Hertz are great speakers but Biketronics has a speaker + amp kit for Rushmores that's $789 with their BT 465 speakers, to upgrade to Hertz is another $450! I just can't imagine a 6.5" speaker being worth that much money. At the end of the day it's just a 6.5" speaker. It won't have a lot of bass and it still needs an amp to push it. It's been my experience that throwing a lot of money into a bike sound system doesn't give you the payoff you'd expect because it's not like a car where the sound's contained. I like the BT package because it's no flash and plug and play. Also, I can add 2 more speakers down the road if I want to in my lowers (Lid speakers are for passengers. I could barley hear mine on my last bike). I just want nice clear sound at 80 MPH on the hwy. I already got rid of the wind noise with my 11" Freedom shield. Also, any suggestions for a sub $800 plug and play setup would be great.
 

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I’m currently running hertz ml 1650.3 and have used multiple biketronics setups in the past.

This is a great time to be in the market for BT stuff. Their new amp will be out any day now and used 2180 and 4180 are gonna go cheap. Grab a 4180 and you’re set for future upgrades.

If you want a cheap set of BT 6.5 let me know, I still have the set I ran in tour pak pods last year. PM me if you want to discuss differences in setups. It was worth it to me, but everyone’s ears are different.


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Do you run the MLCX 2 TW.3 crossovers as well with your setup? and if so how did you fit them into your fairing on top the headlight?
 

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Do you run the MLCX 2 TW.3 crossovers as well with your setup? and if so how did you fit them into your fairing on top the headlight?


Nope. I have mp 25.3 tweets with off brand crossovers that are small. Both would easily fit in one cubby but I put one on each side just for convenience/shorter wire run.


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On a budget could get expensive, at least that was my case. I upgraded to a Boom 2 that I got a smokin deal on and thought, that would be OK but alas, it wasn't. So then I upgraded to ARC Moto which I still have the 604 amp but dumped the Moto 602 speakers they are great speakers but alas I needed more. So then I put in the Arc DSP/OEM Signal Correction and went with Focal ps165fx upper and pc165f in the lowers. Let me tell you it rocks but it was not on a budget. The moral to this story is know what you want.
 

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Are the Hertz speakers worth the extra money? Well it depends on how much you like great sounding speakers. In my opinion yes they are worth it. It took me a while to decide on which speakers were best for the money for speakers in the fairing, and after listening to Hertz, Focal, Arc Audio, JL Audio and some others, I bought the Hertz and a year later am still confident that I made the right choice.

I tried 6 different windshields to get rid of 90% of wind buffeting and to be able to hear my speakers. I tried HD, Freedom Shields, and Long Ride Shields; none of them would cut the wind to me and be able to hear my music clearly. Then I bought the Madstad windshield and it works amazingly well for me. I'm 6'4" and Madstad was the only windshield that actually worked for me, so having the right windshield will also make all the difference in hearing your music at various speeds.

I bought an MPAK 12 kit from SLORIDE. Karl at Not Cage Audio was the best. He explained many speaker and amp options; even brands that he does not sell. He gave honest advice and did not try to sell me stuff that I don't need or would be more expensive. He answered and returned my calls even on weekends while doing the install. I installed the Arc Moto 600 amp in the fairing below the radio; The only difficult part of the install is installing the Power and Ground wire from the battery to the amp and installing under the fuel tank (it helps if you have a friend help hold the tank or move it onto the rear fender so you don't have to fully disconnect it to take off the bike). I installed the Arc Moto speakers in my lower fairing. In the fairing I bought the Pro Speakers from Biketronics which are Hertz woofers. This 4 speaker setup sounds great.

If you go with the Biketronics amp it is a simpler install since you don't have to set the gain on your amp. Biketronics also provided excellent customer service, and was great to talk to.
 

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I am currently running a BT 2180, Titan II and Hertz sv165 in the lowers. I am underwhelmed, but I think my expectations are too high. I have been contemplating switching out the Titan II's with the Hertz 165,3 pro's. They can be had for about $250. Not sure if it would make a $250 difference. I have no real advice for you, when cranked the woofers are pounding (plenty of cone excursion) , but the sound id still disappointing.
 

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I spent a lot of money on my Street Glide putting in an Amp and speaker lids. It sounded much better than stock but I put the same amount of money into my truck and you would lose your fillings if you cranked it up. My friend spent double what I did and his wasn't that much better than mine. I'm not going down the rabbit hole again. I'm going to get a amp that can run 4 speakers in case I put lower speakers in and a decent set of fairing speakers. You're never going to get bass on a bike unless you turn it into a sound machine but I ride my bike and need the storage space.
 

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The 165.3 will sound better than the BT 6.5, but it’s not going to be a blow your socks off difference.

The SV 165 are solid in the lowers.


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The titan II is a great speaker the line levler is also great.
Nothing about there amps say budget great products but expensive.
Jl audio and rockfordfosgate have quality with a better price tag.
 

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The 165.3 will sound better than the BT 6.5, but it’s not going to be a blow your socks off difference.

The SV 165 are solid in the lowers.


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Why the SV 165 for the lowers? Is there no benifit to having a 2 way speaker down low or was it a money thing? Upon research I'm leaning towards the Rockford amp and mid grade Hertz speakers. Hearing lots of good thing about the RF kit. I wish I could find a BT vs RF review.
 

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Why the SV 165 for the lowers? Is there no benifit to having a 2 way speaker down low or was it a money thing? Upon research I'm leaning towards the Rockford amp and mid grade Hertz speakers. Hearing lots of good thing about the RF kit. I wish I could find a BT vs RF review.
The sv 165 are simply loud and clear they add tremendous fill. High frequency is directional and will be somewhat lost in the lowers. These compliment a fairing speaker very well. The sv 165 are midrange only, the mpx 165.3 pros are coaxial, that is what I am contemplating putting in the fairing, one set of tweeters aimed directly at you is plenty in my opinion.
 

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Why the SV 165 for the lowers? Is there no benifit to having a 2 way speaker down low or was it a money thing? Upon research I'm leaning towards the Rockford amp and mid grade Hertz speakers. Hearing lots of good thing about the RF kit. I wish I could find a BT vs RF review.


Morningwood nailed it with his explanation.

I like the upper end RF amps, the speakers meh.

To get significantly better than BT 6.5, arc 602, or hertz Mille 165.3 you really have to go with components.


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I like the upper end RF amps, the speakers meh.

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I have a RF TM400X2ad running my fairing speakers and it screams, really happy with it.
 

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I am currently running a BT 2180, Titan II and Hertz sv165 in the lowers. I am underwhelmed, but I think my expectations are too high. I have been contemplating switching out the Titan II's with the Hertz 165,3 pro's. They can be had for about $250. Not sure if it would make a $250 difference. I have no real advice for you, when cranked the woofers are pounding (plenty of cone excursion) , but the sound id still disappointing.
That seems like it would be a great sounding setup. When you say underwhelmed are you talking about the volume or the overall quality of sound? I looking for clear sound that can be easily heard at 80 mph even with a full face helmet on. Remember I'm coming from stock sound and I can almost hear that well enough but the quality of the sound sucks. Did the lowers make a lot of difference or did you put it all on at once and can't compare? I just put lowers on my bike so popping in some speakers would be easy. I just don't know if I'll get too hot in the summer to keep them on. If not it might make more sense for me to just get the Hertz fairing speakers and pump all the power into them and keep my lowers removable.
 

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The system is very loud and clear, but lacks bass. As I said I I think my expectations are too high.I only have experience with home and car audio. I started with the BT setup only then added the lowers and the sv 165s after. It got louder but still bright. I now believe that the best way to listen to music is a quality set of Bluetooth ear buds. It is a good set up just not what I was hoping for. My source is pretty shitty as well, spottify over my phone. A good source would help a lot. The SVs in the lowers did make it louder and clear at highway speeds.
 
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