Road Glide banner

1 - 20 of 20 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
132 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
08' (96") with Big Sucker and Bassani Road Rage 2-1. No plans for any further upgrades what-so-ever. No need to waste time telling me about porting heads etc. I simply do not and will not have the money unless I win the lottery and I don't play it. My question is:

If I go with S&S 583, Is there any reason I should get the "easy start" version over the regular cheaper version with a stock motor? I do not want to loose any torque down low. I'm still adjusting to the higher 1st gear than my Evo had.

I'm ok with suggestions on better cams (Nothing more costly) but I would like to know the answer to that question if anyone knows. I already sent a message to S&S but have not received a replay yet.

Next question is does following list I need to complete the job other than the required tools?

Gasket/O-ring kit
Bearings
Quickie Install Pushrods
Lifters

Thanks in advance. :)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
6,034 Posts
I am running Andrews 48's in my 96". Plenty of low end. You can get a set for about $225 shipped from DCP. I went with the sreamin eagle adjustable push rods. Crane SBC lifters. Screamin eagle bearings. Timing cover gasket. And there are a couple o rings for the oil pump. Pretty affordable power. IMO.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,930 Posts
For what you have and want, the Andrews 57H would be a budget cam that really works well stock and down the road if you want to do headwork, it will even do better. Buy it on Amazon for about $205. Best bang for the buck.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,242 Posts
In a stock 96" the Andrews 48's are cheap and work really well. 57's need a bit more compression. There are other cams (I'd consider the S&S 551's or SE255's), but the 48's would do you very well and other cams besides a set of take out SE255's would most likely be more expensive.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
132 Posts
Discussion Starter #6
I am running Andrews 48's in my 96". Plenty of low end. You can get a set for about $225 shipped from DCP. I went with the sreamin eagle adjustable push rods. Crane SBC lifters. Screamin eagle bearings. Timing cover gasket. And there are a couple o rings for the oil pump. Pretty affordable power. IMO.
Does this set up require a stronger battery or higher output starter? I'm a little concerned because it already acts like the starter is a little weak sometimes. My Evo fired up with less effort for sure. Thanks
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
132 Posts
Discussion Starter #7
For what you have and want, the Andrews 57H would be a budget cam that really works well stock and down the road if you want to do headwork, it will even do better. Buy it on Amazon for about $205. Best bang for the buck.
I really just want cheap without losing any reliability to get me by for a few years. After that, I can justify taking out a loan to do some serious power upgrades. Probably a whole new motor that puts out some real power.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
132 Posts
Discussion Starter #8
I have 551's that work well 2-4k, they are done st 4.
When you say done, are you saying that if we were racing you would go ahead and shift at 4k because going any higher will make you slower?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,432 Posts
An Andrews 48 is a very good cam in both 96", and 103" engines.
Tuned one yesterday we installed in a 103"/V&H pipes/good air filter.........92/114, with torque all in by 3600, grabbing 100 ft/lbs by 2600, and carrying that 100 to almost 5000.
Client called back to make mention of "it actually has power in 6th gear now".......lol.
Scott
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
6,539 Posts
Does this set up require a stronger battery or higher output starter? I'm a little concerned because it already acts like the starter is a little weak sometimes. My Evo fired up with less effort for sure. Thanks
If the starter is acting a little weak it may be a compensator problem, the stock compensator in the 96 inch and earlier 103 engines are junk.
My 08 has over 100,000 miles and it is still on the same starter that's been in the since the bike had 16,000 miles, the reason the starter got changed was because the bike had starting issues and the dealer swapped it out on warranty but the real problem was the compensator which was repaired later on and fixed all my starting issues. Also my bike was running a 103 Big Bore kit for 5 or 6 years with no compression releases and I never had any starting issues, so NO you don't really need compression releases.
I run the SE 255 cam and I switched to the Woods TW222 cam and I was much more happier with the Woods cam over the SE 255 cam, I never run a Andrews cam in my bike.
Also if you are doing the work which it sounds like you are going to do I would consider putting in a 103, 106 S&S or a 107 Big Bore kit. The 103 would be cheapest if you call PC Pain (Jon) at Horny Toad HD and tell him you're a forum member you will receive a discount on parts, brand new 103 cylinders are only around $250 and piston and rings are not too much either but I can't remember the cost but you can do the 103 BB for around $500, with a cam, cam bearings, lifters and adjustable push rods you can do the engine upgrade for around $1000. Also your bike has the "B" lifters in it and they are pretty dependable lifters so if you don't have many miles on the bike just reuse the OEM lifters and just do the adjustable push rods, going this way you can cut cost and it is easy to change the lifters later on if you need to.
The only specialty tools you need is a cam bearing installation/removal tool other then that torque wrenches and basic hand tools will do the job, and you can use a 4 inch hose clamp as a ring compressor.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
6,034 Posts
Does this set up require a stronger battery or higher output starter? I'm a little concerned because it already acts like the starter is a little weak sometimes. My Evo fired up with less effort for sure. Thanks
No starting issues. I have a Deka battery. And it is always on the maintainer when not riding.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
132 Posts
Discussion Starter #13
If the starter is acting a little weak it may be a compensator problem, the stock compensator in the 96 inch and earlier 103 engines are junk.
My 08 has over 100,000 miles and it is still on the same starter that's been in the since the bike had 16,000 miles, the reason the starter got changed was because the bike had starting issues and the dealer swapped it out on warranty but the real problem was the compensator which was repaired later on and fixed all my starting issues. Also my bike was running a 103 Big Bore kit for 5 or 6 years with no compression releases and I never had any starting issues, so NO you don't really need compression releases.
I run the SE 255 cam and I switched to the Woods TW222 cam and I was much more happier with the Woods cam over the SE 255 cam, I never run a Andrews cam in my bike.
Also if you are doing the work which it sounds like you are going to do I would consider putting in a 103, 106 S&S or a 107 Big Bore kit. The 103 would be cheapest if you call PC Pain (Jon) at Horny Toad HD and tell him you're a forum member you will receive a discount on parts, brand new 103 cylinders are only around $250 and piston and rings are not too much either but I can't remember the cost but you can do the 103 BB for around $500, with a cam, cam bearings, lifters and adjustable push rods you can do the engine upgrade for around $1000. Also your bike has the "B" lifters in it and they are pretty dependable lifters so if you don't have many miles on the bike just reuse the OEM lifters and just do the adjustable push rods, going this way you can cut cost and it is easy to change the lifters later on if you need to.
The only specialty tools you need is a cam bearing installation/removal tool other then that torque wrenches and basic hand tools will do the job, and you can use a 4 inch hose clamp as a ring compressor.
Lot of good info here. I appreciate that man. The BB kit is tempting but I'm hoping I can gain at least 10 ft/lbs or at least enough that I can feel for as cheap as possible. If I could keep it under 500.00 I could get it going real soon. Of course if I have to replace the compensator, that will set me back some I'm sure. I'm afraid to check the cost of that. I will be doing all the work myself with the help of a good brother that is plenty comfortable working on Harleys.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
132 Posts
Discussion Starter #14
An Andrews 48 is a very good cam in both 96", and 103" engines.
Tuned one yesterday we installed in a 103"/V&H pipes/good air filter.........92/114, with torque all in by 3600, grabbing 100 ft/lbs by 2600, and carrying that 100 to almost 5000.
Client called back to make mention of "it actually has power in 6th gear now".......lol.
Scott
Any idea what I'd get out of my stock 96" with big sucker and road rage 2-1?
Thanks. I'll be checking your site out. I think I ordered some bars from you before.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,684 Posts
When you say done, are you saying that if we were racing you would go ahead and shift at 4k because going any higher will make you slower?
Yes, maybe 4500. I miss having a "little more" on reserve when racing with the boys. For the bulk of my daily riding, back roading and climbing through the hills this cam pulls really well and is always in the power band.

Not saying it is the best, just throwing another low range torque cam in the mix.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
141 Posts
103 cam upgrade

I have a 2011 RGC with a stock 103....going with T man 555 torqster . I want to replaced to the adjustable SS pushrods kit and the SS standard lifters. Does anyone have any part Numbers for these 2 items???
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
17 Posts
An Andrews 48 is a very good cam in both 96", and 103" engines.
Tuned one yesterday we installed in a 103"/V&H pipes/good air filter.........92/114, with torque all in by 3600, grabbing 100 ft/lbs by 2600, and carrying that 100 to almost 5000.
Client called back to make mention of "it actually has power in 6th gear now".......lol.
Scott
I have a 96" with stock heads that have been shaved .030". Some background, when I bought the bike the original owner overreved it with 4,400 miles on it and bent the intake valve on the front cylinder. So, when I repaired it the head had to be shaved to clean it up.
So, bike has VH power duals, VH high outputs, SE heavy breather, SERT, it does have comp releases. Currently it has stock cams...what cam would you suggest? Riding is about 50/50 between 1 & 2 up...mostly 60+ mph.
Would you go with the 48 or something like the 37 given the added compression?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
132 Posts
Discussion Starter #18
I'm leaning towards the Andrews 48h now. Does anyone know if they include any gaskets or bearings or do I need to get them seperate?

Also, I got a reply from S&S and they said I did not need the easy start cam if I went with the 583's.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
6,539 Posts
In most cases the cam bearing and gaskets are not included with the purchase of a cam, The cam bearing are fairly cheap @ around $10 each and you need 2.
If you are doing the 103 mod you can get a top end gasket kit from HD and it includes all the gaskets to do the top end including cam chest and lifter block gaskets.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,684 Posts
I have a 2011 RGC with a stock 103....going with T man 555 torqster . I want to replaced to the adjustable SS pushrods kit and the SS standard lifters. Does anyone have any part Numbers for these 2 items???
S&S is a new vender on this forum, I am sure if you reach out to them they will provide you with all the info you need. Make sure you mention this forum.
 
1 - 20 of 20 Posts
Top