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I want to know if anyone that changed from the SE Tensioner to the Hayden has had compensator issues.

The reason I'm inquiring is because I changed from the stock (2012) to the Hayden for fear of the inner primary bearing going bad. Now I've put about 5000 miles on the Hayden and it still whines. Also, I'm now starting to hear compensator noise upon start up and when giving it throttle to start moving.

I haven't pulled the primary cover off yet to determine WTF, but I can pretty much imagine what I'm going to find.

I'm also considering going to the Baker manual tensioner to get rid of the chain whine. ($200)

Or the SOHOT: http://www.sohotbikes.com/wedge.html ($95)

Or the SE Pro Manual Adjuster (PN 36500020) ($150 (or $130 at Surdyke))
 

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Now that you mention it, I'm starting to get the same thing upon gasing it from a stop. I put the SE comp in about 2 years ago and I just did the Hayden tensioner about 2 months ago. I'm not getting any whining but it does sound like the comp is making noise.
 

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I recently installed the Hayden Tensioner on my 2012 Ultra. I seemed way to tight when installed and only had 1/4" gap instead of the 3/8" gap as shown in the installation instructions.

I contacted Hayden with my concerns about it being to tight and was assured and according to them all was good and normal with my install and after 300-400 miles my shoe would seat in with the chain and the gap would increase to the 3/8" spec.

Well she whined (whirled) more than I expected and again was assured it would quiet down and loosen up after a break in period of a few hundred miles.

Approximately 2,500 miles later and the whirling noise never went away. At this point Hayden stopped returning my messages for awhile, longer than I cared for at least.

I pulled the primary cover and removed the Hayden Tensioner and found what I would consider excessive amount of wear in the shoe especially when you compare it to the original HD tensioner shoe that had almost 30K on it.

Here is the Hayden with approx. 2500 miles



Here is the stock unit with almost 30K



Which one is to tight??

I contacted Hayden and sent them the pictures, explained once again my concerns about the chain now being to tight using their product and asked for a refund of my purchase price or at the very least replacement springs and a new shoe. Below is the reply I received form Hayden after making numerous attempts.

"Hello John
We're sorry for the inconvenience you have experienced. I will
certainly be sending you both a replacement shoe and set of springs. You
have done everything correct in installing your M6BT07 on your bike. The
only other option you might have had is to remove the inner spring and
loosen up the tension just a little. You would then only need to be
aware of your mileage as to when you would need to add the inner spring.
While this is not the preferred install, we have had some customers
report to us it helps.

I will be putting the replacement parts in the mail in the morning to
the address listed below. And again we apologize for the issue.

Hayden Enterprises"

For grins I put only the outer spring back in as suggested and then bottomed out the shoe using vise grips. As you can see in the pictures the spring bottoms out before the shoe even hits the plate leaving a gap of slightly less than 1/8". That means that with the original 1/4" gap that Hayden states is normal and fine there is only about and 1/8" of movement before the spring bottoms out and there is absolutely ZERO play in the primary chain. That can't work. What happens when the primary heats up and things expand?

Even using just the one spring as now suggested is not going to fix the issue.





I can appreciate them replacing my parts. What I have a problem with is that they are choosing to stick their heads in the sand and act like there is not an issue with installing this newly designed tensioner on some newer model year bikes. I simple online search will bring up similar results with the Hayden Tensioner and no official statement from Hayden on the problem or fix for it.

I have pulled the Hayden Unit and MAY try it in the better half's 08 model and see if it is a better fit for her bike. It will not be going back in mine, no way no how.

For now I will run the stock tensioner and am considering modifying it by welding it in place so it cannot over tighten the primary chain. There are some threads on the HHT site explaining that modification if your interested.

I believe Hayden has a great product that works for the majority but if you have a newer bike you may want to take a closer look before jumping in the water. And yes, the whirling has decreased since going back to the Stock Tensioner.
 

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Triplej,

Good write-up. Honest and to the point. I will most likely go with the SE manual one since I still have extended warranty.
 

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Excellent write up and thanks for taking the time to explain in full detail. I intended to pull the cover off this past weekend for a visual, but did not find the time. Additionally, I wanted to do more reading on the subject and evaluate all courses of action.

Since then, I have read threads concerning all of the tensioners in question. All of them have their drawbacks including the Baker. I have not, however, run across any mention of removing the inner spring on the Hayden and this may be the most viable option for me at this time and considerably less expensive.

Have you experienced any compensator noise?
 

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Excellent write up and thanks for taking the time to explain in full detail. I intended to pull the cover off this past weekend for a visual, but did not find the time. Additionally, I wanted to do more reading on the subject and evaluate all courses of action.

Since then, I have read threads concerning all of the tensioners in question. All of them have their drawbacks including the Baker. I have not, however, run across any mention of removing the inner spring on the Hayden and this may be the most viable option for me at this time and considerable less expensive.

Have you experienced any compensator noise?
I have not had any comp noise that concerns me, only the louder than expected whirling that would not go away.

I would be careful thinking that just using the outer spring will cure the problem. I agree it will loosen up the initial tension on the chain using just the one spring but that still won't increase the amount of travel and I don't believe there is enough travel with the newly designed tensioner to do its job without bottoming out when the primary heats up.
 

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A post from HTT yesterday concerning the Baker:

Re: Primary experiment??
« Reply #35 on: Yesterday at 09:51:22 AM »Quote just had harley replace the comp under extended warranty put around 1500 miles on it and no noise at all

went back to stock adjuster

my baker broke and I sent in to them 1st class they said it never arrived sent them pictures of the adjuster where it broke and they said sorry I see it's broke but won't do anything that sucks last time for baker products rage off
 

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The MOCO attempt at curing the compensator problem in its 3rd phase
The stock compensator on the 96 and 103 engines were JUNK and HD only cure was the SE compensator upgrade which in most cases the owner of the bike would have to pay for the extra cost to upgrade to the SE compensator.
Than in 2011 HD put the SE compensator in the bikes as OEM equipment but then the MOCO realized that even though the SE compensator was better than the original compensator it still had problems with proper oiling which leads to compensator failure ( I am on SE compensator #2).
Now in 2014 the MOCO changed the compensator again to fix the oiling issues and the jury is still out on this upgrade.
So if the compensator goes bad on the bike I would find it hard to put the blame on the primary chain tensioners no matter which one is in the bike.
 

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I have a Hayden that I bought last year in June and was going to install it before SWIII but didn't get a chance, it seems like everytime I get ready to install it, I read a thread like this that makes me second guess it. :confused:
 

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I've got about 600 miles on mine and it did seem really tight when I first put it in. Now I'm getting some strange noises out of the primary sometimes when shutting down or starting up. I may go back to the stock one and take it as a lessen learned. Might not be a bad idea for bikes that have a bit more slop in the chain But I'd rather not trash something inside and my ESP deny coverage because of it.
 

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I like the concept of the Hayden, but I too was getting whining noises and the chain just seemed too tight. I sold mine and went to the Baker manual and couldn't be happier. If you don't ride hard with heavy decel where you can create slack in the chain then the stock adjuster is probably fine.
 

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The MOCO attempt at curing the compensator problem in its 3rd phase
The stock compensator on the 96 and 103 engines were JUNK and HD only cure was the SE compensator upgrade which in most cases the owner of the bike would have to pay for the extra cost to upgrade to the SE compensator.
Than in 2011 HD put the SE compensator in the bikes as OEM equipment but then the MOCO realized that even though the SE compensator was better than the original compensator it still had problems with proper oiling which leads to compensator failure ( I am on SE compensator #2).
Now in 2014 the MOCO changed the compensator again to fix the oiling issues and the jury is still out on this upgrade.
So if the compensator goes bad on the bike I would find it hard to put the blame on the primary chain tensioners no matter which one is in the bike.
Iron Mark, how long/ miles have you had your Hayden in ?
 

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I have a Hayden tensioner installed in all three of my bikes. Anybody that has ridden with me knows that I don't baby the bikes around. I've had nothing but good luck and wouldn't hesitate to install another one. Two of the bikes have the new style with the heavier springs, and the other has the original design. All is well here.
 

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Iron Mark, how long/ miles have you had your Hayden in ?
I put it in around 8,000 miles ago and I haven't taken off the primary cover to inspect it. My 2nd SE compensator was put in about 2 years ago under my ESP. I don't have any whine coming out of my primary but my ears don't work as well as they use to.
 

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Hayden

I have had mine for awhile. I knew my Compensator was going bad, so I bought one (welded /older model). Finally had to replace Compensator and Inner Bearing (race was Trashed). NO issues since. Been about a year.
 

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Wow , what a difference between tripplej and Navada's.
Mine been on a little over 500 miles and has quited down a lot . It still makes a little noise while at idle and when I turn the engine off. I haven't removed the primary cover since the install.
 
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