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So I had a 117" build and asked them for a 130hp build just got the dyno results at 113hp and 127tq

Bore - 4.125
Stroke - 4.375
Cams Tman - 625
Compression - 10.5
Injectors - 5.3
Throttle Body - 58
Dragula 2 in 1

What do i need to change to get this done?
 

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Man something not right. Any head work? Maybe a different tuner. That hp/TQ is in the 107 neighborhood.
 

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Yeah I could have got those numbers with a basic 107 just talked to Jamie at fuelmoto I need to get more specs over to him to see how it rolls. Definitely not worth the money I paid. I could have spent half and got a better build..
 

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I can understand you being a bit disappointed but I don't think that the #s are something you would get out of a 107 build.
To begin you would be hard pressed to find 107 builds that are getting 127 ft lb of torque, the HP isn't that important anyway so why is it much of a issue TORQUE is where it is at.
Looking at most builds on the 88 inch engines with a 95 inch BB it was typical to try for 100 hp and 100 ft lbs of torque, then HD stroked the 88 inch engine 3/8 of an inch and you got the 96 inch and with a 103 inch BB in it you would get 90 to 95 HP and 104 to 112 ft lbs of torque (depending on the cam). The stroked 103 engine would not produce the HP #s the 95 engine would but the 103 would beat the 95 hands down on torque.
Dyno #s depend on the ability of the dyno tech doing the tune and also on how familiar the dyno tech is with the tuner you are using and of course the elevation and humidity also affects the dyno results.
I would think you could have the bike dyno tuned again and you may pick up or lose a little bit on the #s but the main thing is to make the bike a comfortable bike to ride on the street. JMO
 

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I can understand you being a bit disappointed but I don't think that the #s are something you would get out of a 107 build.
To begin you would be hard pressed to find 107 builds that are getting 127 ft lb of torque, the HP isn't that important anyway so why is it much of a issue TORQUE is where it is at. Looking at most builds on the 88 inch engines with a 95 inch BB it was typical to try for 100 hp and 100 ft lbs of torque, then HD stroked the 88 inch engine 3/8 of an inch and you got the 96 inch and with a 103 inch BB in it you would get 90 to 95 HP and 104 to 112 ft lbs of torque (depending on the cam). The stroked 103 engine would not produce the HP #s the 95 engine would but the 103 would beat the 95 hands down on torque.
Dyno #s depend on the ability of the dyno tech doing the tune and also on how familiar the dyno tech is with the tuner you are using and of course the elevation and humidity also affects the dyno results. I would think you could have the bike dyno tuned again and you may pick up or lose a little bit on the #s but the main thing is to make the bike a comfortable bike to ride on the street. JMO
the Last thing I should be worrying avout with my build is keeping up with a CVO..currently that is an issue... Granted 127 is high for a 107" build but 120ish isn't... Fuelmoto has put a 107 kit with those numbers before.. regardless 113hp is stupid low. The point is I asked for a 130 build and I could have went with a fuelmoto kit and got 130+ hp and Tq for the same money. My mistake was trusting the guy building.
 

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the Last thing I should be worrying avout with my build is keeping up with a CVO..currently that is an issue... Granted 127 is high for a 107" build but 120ish isn't... Fuelmoto has put a 107 kit with those numbers before.. regardless 113hp is stupid low. The point is I asked for a 130 build and I could have went with a fuelmoto kit and got 130+ hp and Tq for the same money. My mistake was trusting the guy building.
Who did the build???
 

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the Last thing I should be worrying avout with my build is keeping up with a CVO..currently that is an issue... Granted 127 is high for a 107" build but 120ish isn't... Fuelmoto has put a 107 kit with those numbers before.. regardless 113hp is stupid low. The point is I asked for a 130 build and I could have went with a fuelmoto kit and got 130+ hp and Tq for the same money. My mistake was trusting the guy building.


Have you done a compression test and leak down test? It could be something small. Who tuned it? It very well be the tune.
 

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What was the reason(s) why the numbers wasn't as projected?


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I honestly believe it was just lack of knowledge on his part.

Dynamic Performance in Marlyland did the build, compression is fine could be the tune but it seems that the build is "light" from a few builders I talked too
 

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What makes the build "light"?

Any head work?
Yeah there was headwork.. I didnt ask what made it light but that word was used twice.
 

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What tuner did you use?

I have seen the graphs from FuelMoto dyno charts and I have to believe their dyno runs a lil "happy".

Secondly I have seen the same car dyno'd the same day on 3 different dynos to get baselines of where it's at with HP and TQ and each dyno had different results by as much as 10 hp.

Not to say you didnt get optimum results from your hardware mods, it could be a poor tune. However my point is dont get hung up on numbers, the % gains are what is important. One dyno reads 80 hp 100 tq and another reads the same bike at 90 hp 110 tq, what does it matter what the numbers are if its the same bike? One dyno just reads lower or higher, the bike is not producing more power later in the day just cuz...
 

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What tuner did you use?

I have seen the graphs from FuelMoto dyno charts and I have to believe their dyno runs a lil "happy".

Secondly I have seen the same car dyno'd the same day on 3 different dynos to get baselines of where it's at with HP and TQ and each dyno had different results by as much as 10 hp.

Not to say you didnt get optimum results from your hardware mods, it could be a poor tune. However my point is dont get hung up on numbers, the % gains are what is important. One dyno reads 80 hp 100 tq and another reads the same bike at 90 hp 110 tq, what does it matter what the numbers are if its the same bike? One dyno just reads lower or higher, the bike is not producing more power later in the day just cuz...
I get that dyno numbers vary.. But they should be in a range at 113 that is just too big of a gap from 135.. Fuelmotos number when we run them on the dyno here we get within 5-7 if not closer..

I am more hung up on performance I paid for a certain level, I by all means shouldnt get owned by a 110, my top speed is also 125mph
 

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Damn DS. Keep us posted. Hopefully you get it worked out brother. If by anything these. They promised them numbers, they should make it right for what they promised they could do. Good luck.


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I get that dyno numbers vary.. But they should be in a range at 113 that is just too big of a gap from 135.. Fuelmotos number when we run them on the dyno here we get within 5-7 if not closer..

I am more hung up on performance I paid for a certain level, I by all means shouldnt get owned by a 110, my top speed is also 125mph
I hope you're talking about a built 110 because your numbers are smoking mine with a stage 1 kit. I'm at 95/116 with 2-1 pipes and a tune.
 

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I'd be more than a little disappointed, I agree seems more like 107 than 117. What tuner are you using? I can't understand why you're not getting at least 120hp, well let us know what you do, and how things work out.

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I have PCV.. I maybe close to 120 now today is a really bad day to tune, heat and humidity.. Still even at 120 I am 15 points off..
 
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