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I'm thinking of getting an aftermarket system for my 2010 FLTRX. Anyone know if these things void the factory warranty? Thx!
 

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I'm looking at several, such as the Power Commander, Fuel Pack, and the TFI unit from Dobeck Performance, mentioned in the other thread.
 

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I'm thinking of getting an aftermarket system for my 2010 FLTRX. Anyone know if these things void the factory warranty? Thx!
Depends which dealership you take it too. If you have a good relationship with your dealer you bought the bike from it may not matter. If you have them install it they most likely will cover the repair ( Best to ask if you want to be sure )

If you break down and have a different dealership repair your bike and they decide that either your breakdown was caused by that part or they decide to inform the MOCO that you have installed aftermarket parts then you can expect to have your VIN # black listed

Harley has gotten really bad about voiding warranties on bike with aftermarket parts that were installed. I know, I have been black listed
 

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Depends which dealership you take it too. If you have a good relationship with your dealer you bought the bike from it may not matter. If you have them install it they most likely will cover the repair ( Best to ask if you want to be sure )

If you break down and have a different dealership repair your bike and they decide that either your breakdown was caused by that part or they decide to inform the MOCO that you have installed aftermarket parts then you can expect to have your VIN # black listed

Harley has gotten really bad about voiding warranties on bike with aftermarket parts that were installed. I know, I have been black listed
Bingo:( All depends on who you get at the desk when you walk in
 

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I'm thinking of getting an aftermarket system for my 2010 FLTRX. Anyone know if these things void the factory warranty? Thx!
If you have any problems with your dealer, ask them if they are aware of the Magnuson Moss warrenty law. What that means, in a nut shell, if you have a problem with your bike, the dealer and/or the MoCo has to prove that the part(s) you installed was the direct cause of your problem.
 

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Thanks for all the helpful information gentlemen! I especially like the tip about the Magnuson Law. It's a real shame that we have to deal with such distractions.

I suspect my dealer will be difficult. As an example, my new bike wasn't supposed to come in until December. It came in early. I signed the paperwork and picked it up on 29 Oct. The following week I went into the dealership to see the offered $1000 in in-store credits to anyone who bought a bike from them between 1 Nov and 31 Dec! Of course, when I asked if they'd include me since THEY brought the bike in early, they said, "No, they couldn't do that." Well, next time I go in I'm going to tell them they just missed my special: my next $2000 in mods and service are going to the next dealer down the road!
 
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Just to let you know. I've got a Arlen Ness Bigshot for my 2003 road glide (still gotta tune it). I just traded my 2000 road king for it and they let me have my pipes(V&H true duals) and clean air kit(Arlen Ness big sucker) and the bigshot fuel tuner off of the roadking. I love it .
 

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I'm looking at several, such as the Power Commander, Fuel Pack, and the TFI unit from Dobeck Performance, mentioned in the other thread.
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Just to let you know. I've got a Arlen Ness Bigshot for my 2003 road glide (still gotta tune it). I just traded my 2000 road king for it and they let me have my pipes(V&H true duals) and clean air kit(Arlen Ness big sucker) and the bigshot fuel tuner off of the roadking. I love it .
Did you specifically ask them about the warranty with the aftermarket tuner? Just curious.
 

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In order for a new vehicle of any sort to be sold by the manufacturer in the United States, it must conform to the latest Federal EPA regulations by passing a series of smog tests (usually in California because they are the strictest).

The fuel management devices sold for motorcycles all have in common the fact that they alter the width or strength of the fuel delivered by the fuel injection system. In so doing they change the air/fuel ration which the EPA mandates in order for the factory bikes to pass EPA testing.

The fuel management device manufactuers all include something in their marketing material that is included in the package of the fuel management device which advises potential users that the device can only be used in an off road environment such as racing. To use the device on the federal, state and county roads in the U.S.A. is illegal because the engine is not in compliance with EPA testing for that particlar vehicle. So, how many of you flat track your baggers around the oval on Saturday night, hoping to win the purse?

To use a fuel management device of any sort while driving on the public roads "Technically voids the manufacturers warrany" while it makes you liable for driving a non compliant vehicle on the public roads.

Up to this point, not many states are using sniffers inserted into the mufflers of motorcycles to ascertain whether or not they are legal. But, more and more are doing it each passing year. Most states do test autos for compliance, at least in the urban areas. I note that the EPA is even testing off road equipment such as diesel engines in heavy equipment now for smog compliance. Within a year or so they will be testing Harleys and probably lawnmowers as well for EPA compliances such as noice and smog.

So, the smart person will be saving their take off mufflers under the bed and making sure that they can remove their fuel management devices for inspection time.

The smart dealers are having no part in installing fuel management devices because it opens them up for huge liability when the day comes to stricter smog testing. Remember, most Harley dealers are also state inspection stations, so the fact they can't pass the very vehicles they installed fuel management devices on will be at best a jumping in point for all the lawyers out there. Most just jump on the bandwagon because they can't stand the thought of other competing Harley shops doing it. They can always justify it by thinking everybody else is doing it, so why shouldn't I. I fully expect the EPA to start levying some pretty hefty fines for new vehicles which are not in EPA compliance because they have been altered by the Harley dealers or the customers who ride Harleys. This will pretty much cause all of the after market fuel management device manufacturers to run for the hills and disappear for good. So far, I only know of one manufacturer to have paid a fine of "several million" for selling fuel management devices for motorcycles. The justice department has fired the first shot across their bow for effect. The next shot will take dead aim at them.

None of us have to like this, we just have to be realistic in the belief that it is coming at us fast.

Did I mention that the EPA will soon make the smog regulations so tough that Harley can no longer install air cooled, 45 degree crank engines in bikes because they will not be able to get those engines to pass EPA testing. Can you say "hello water jackets and radiators and good-by to air cooled engines".

For those of us who once swore to budda that we will never ride a Harley that doesn't sound like a Harley. we are just going to have to eat crow if we want to ride a new Hog. Hell, I once said I would never ride a Harley if they put an electric starter on it. I also remember saying I would never ride a Harley if they took the carburators off and installed fuel injection.

I caved in and now own a Harley with an electric starter, fuel injection, CD stereo, Brembo non skid brakes and a cruise control to top it off. Never is a long, long time to never ride another Harley. Now, in keeping with my age, I swear to budda that I will never ride another Harley if they take all that new stuff off. Some call it the pussification of America, I call it new and improved and I like it. Now, how many of you think I am an alarmist and none of this will every come about? Pile on!
 

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In order for a new vehicle of any sort to be sold by the manufacturer in the United States, it must conform to the latest Federal EPA regulations by passing a series of smog tests (usually in California because they are the strictest).

The fuel management devices sold for motorcycles all have in common the fact that they alter the width or strength of the fuel delivered by the fuel injection system. In so doing they change the air/fuel ration which the EPA mandates in order for the factory bikes to pass EPA testing.

The fuel management device manufactuers all include something in their marketing material that is included in the package of the fuel management device which advises potential users that the device can only be used in an off road environment such as racing. To use the device on the federal, state and county roads in the U.S.A. is illegal because the engine is not in compliance with EPA testing for that particlar vehicle. So, how many of you flat track your baggers around the oval on Saturday night, hoping to win the purse?

To use a fuel management device of any sort while driving on the public roads "Technically voids the manufacturers warrany" while it makes you liable for driving a non compliant vehicle on the public roads.

Up to this point, not many states are using sniffers inserted into the mufflers of motorcycles to ascertain whether or not they are legal. But, more and more are doing it each passing year. Most states do test autos for compliance, at least in the urban areas. I note that the EPA is even testing off road equipment such as diesel engines in heavy equipment now for smog compliance. Within a year or so they will be testing Harleys and probably lawnmowers as well for EPA compliances such as noice and smog.

So, the smart person will be saving their take off mufflers under the bed and making sure that they can remove their fuel management devices for inspection time.

The smart dealers are having no part in installing fuel management devices because it opens them up for huge liability when the day comes to stricter smog testing. Remember, most Harley dealers are also state inspection stations, so the fact they can't pass the very vehicles they installed fuel management devices on will be at best a jumping in point for all the lawyers out there. Most just jump on the bandwagon because they can't stand the thought of other competing Harley shops doing it. They can always justify it by thinking everybody else is doing it, so why shouldn't I. I fully expect the EPA to start levying some pretty hefty fines for new vehicles which are not in EPA compliance because they have been altered by the Harley dealers or the customers who ride Harleys. This will pretty much cause all of the after market fuel management device manufacturers to run for the hills and disappear for good. So far, I only know of one manufacturer to have paid a fine of "several million" for selling fuel management devices for motorcycles. The justice department has fired the first shot across their bow for effect. The next shot will take dead aim at them.

None of us have to like this, we just have to be realistic in the belief that it is coming at us fast.

Did I mention that the EPA will soon make the smog regulations so tough that Harley can no longer install air cooled, 45 degree crank engines in bikes because they will not be able to get those engines to pass EPA testing. Can you say "hello water jackets and radiators and good-by to air cooled engines".

For those of us who once swore to budda that we will never ride a Harley that doesn't sound like a Harley. we are just going to have to eat crow if we want to ride a new Hog. Hell, I once said I would never ride a Harley if they put an electric starter on it. I also remember saying I would never ride a Harley if they took the carburators off and installed fuel injection.

I caved in and now own a Harley with an electric starter, fuel injection, CD stereo, Brembo non skid brakes and a cruise control to top it off. Never is a long, long time to never ride another Harley. Now, in keeping with my age, I swear to budda that I will never ride another Harley if they take all that new stuff off. Some call it the pussification of America, I call it new and improved and I like it. Now, how many of you think I am an alarmist and none of this will every come about? Pile on!
A sad, cold slap of the poiitical reality we are facing. I personally don't buy into Global Warming, and feel that Thomas Jeffereson put it best saying, "that government which governs least, governs best." I much prefer the American way of life I grew up with in the fifties. Unfortunately as we ebb more and more into Socialism, we step further and further away from that America. Until forced to do otherwise by the tyrants, I shall continue to ride hard, ride loud, and proudly carry my gun.
 

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96349, I am afraid Sir that you are correct in your statements. I have worked in the auto related industry around Detroit for many years doing prototype work for the then Big 3. The handwriting was on the wall many years ago.
I like the last line of Minks post,'Until forced to do otherwise by the tyrants, I shall continue to ride hard, ride loud and proudly carry my gun'. Good statement Sir, and just remember, there is an election coming up soon, let's let the SOB's know we feel about our freedoms.
 

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In order for a new vehicle of any sort to be sold by the manufacturer in the United States, it must conform to the latest Federal EPA regulations by passing a series of smog tests (usually in California because they are the strictest).
Did I mention that the EPA will soon make the smog regulations so tough that Harley can no longer install air cooled, 45 degree crank engines in bikes because they will not be able to get those engines to pass EPA testing. Can you say "hello water jackets and radiators and good-by to air cooled engines".
I don't think we have an EPA in MISSISSIPPI :eek:
 

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Here in South Carolina there is no vehicle inspection of any kind, but Im sure big brother will make all states comply in the coming future
 

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Well gonna hold my tongue as not to turn this into a profane political rant...but we have a pretty good cure for over indulgent government power pushers down here in Texas...vote the a$$holes OUT! I'm with Mink!!!
 
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