I was told by the sales guy that if I connect a V&H FP3 I can void my warranty. How could they tell I had or have one on if I default back to default settings?
The MoCo policy is that any non Harley tuner voids the power train warrantee. And they claim to be able to tell if a piggy back tuner has been installed, even if removed later.
Not sure how it would go if you took them to court. If they can in fact detect it, then I'm sure they can document it easy enough. And there would be that illegal activity to get past. Tampering and such.
look up harley consent decree. the entire thing is available online.I was told by the sales guy that if I connect a V&H FP3 I can void my warranty. How could they tell I had or have one on if I default back to default settings?
Not that it matters any more, mine is long out of warrantee, but my ecm is in a box on the shelf. At the time, I was more concerned about the Obama administration implementing nation wide emissions testing on all motor vehicles.I don't have any knowledge on these tuners, but I have a bit of experience on Auto tuners..... most of the time the "tuner" will leave behind a trail, usually on the auto tuners that I've dealt with, that comes in the form of showing a reset of the ECM if/when plugged into a scanning tool. So, when a dealership plugs the motorcycle in, they would be able to see a "reset" was made to the ECM, however as long as you return the motorcycle to the stock tune, the cannot detect WHAT was done.
A lot of auto guys get around this and simply tell the dealerships that they have a scan tool that they hook up on occasion to look at codes etc. Dealerships have no choice but to accept that as they cannot see what/if any changes were made.
Can anyone confirm if the scooter tuners operate on the same basis as Auto tuners?
Not so. Restoring the factory map will not help you. The ECM records information that can be gathered by HD which allows them to determine if it has been flashed by a non harley tuner.Just an aside, the FPS stores the factory map so that you can return the bike to "factory specs" prior to taking it in for repairs. As was stated earlier, that should only apply to any component "Controlled " by the map/ecu. If it's a hard part from , Oh I'm just spitballin' here, say fuel control, timing, throttle response, fuel mapping ect, Then a quick reload of the stored factory map should be sufficient to cover you should the dealer ask. Since the FP3 is a plug n play device, meaning that once you're satisfied with your tune, you can remove it from the bike, No one should be the wiser. With that said, it will be on the owner either way if the dealer wants to raise hell. Just go the route you're most comfortable with and live with your decision.
The decree only applies to 17 and later models so you were good with a 15.Sounds like a load of crap to me.
My RGS is a 2015 model but my dealer is the one that suggested using a V&H FP-3 unit when I did my stage one & stage two upgrades.
I would look for another dealership if it was me.
They just want you to purchase the HD fuel tuner I'm sure, right.
I copied the consent agreement above. 17 and later models, no proof that the tuner caused the problem is necessary. Just that a non compliant tuner was used.Unless I am missing something, they cannot simply say that your warranty would be void... they would have to prove that the tuner itself is what caused the catastrophic failure of a component. i.e. if your drive belt broke suddenly due to abnormal wear, they would have to prove your tuner caused it and not something else. I'm also sure you could make the argument between the FP3 and the Harley Tuner- what's the difference between both tunes and why is one warrantied and one is not?