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1.3K views 20 replies 10 participants last post by  gwtoland  
#1 ·
There have been plenty of threads about tires, balancing, beads, methods and more. I just want to contribute my recent experience:

New Dunlop AE2 tires installed on my rims. Great looking tire. Instead of having my HD dealer mount and balance the tires, I worked with a small local independent bike garage. The tires were mounted without problems. His balancer is a static vertical balancer and he guaranteed the results to be very close to perfect. When I picked them up I began to worry. "What if the balance isn't really that close? I don't want to have to go thru the whole process of putting the bike back together, only to tear it down again for a balance issue". I thought it might be smart to have them checked and verified. I found a bike dealer and they said bring them in today and we'll check them.

As it turned out, the front was balanced perfectly. The rear was off by a quarter ounce....insignificant on a tire/rim of that weight and diameter. The static balancer proved itself right there to me.

I asked the lead tech there about using balance beads. He said he thought that accurate weight placement was still the best way to know your tires are balanced. You're not relying on simply the lack of vibration as your prime indicator. The tire IS balanced and proven so from zero to any speed. Then he threw out something I didn't know. I checked it and he was right:

Dunlop does not recommend the use of dry or liquid balancers/sealers and will not warrant tires into which these materials have been injected. Tire and wheel assembly balance must be checked with a balance stand or computer wheel balancer.

So right or not, I'll continue to run weight-balanced tires. I now plan to buy a static balancer so I can check balance whenever I have the wheels off the bike.
 
#3 ·
I also checked the Michelin motorcycle tires warranty policy. It states basically the same as Dunlop. Dry or liquid balancers or sealers will void the tire warranty. I was not aware that these major manufacturers had such limitations. I'm wondering if the manufacturer believes either of the following:

1. The products might (their opinion) cause eventual internal damage to the tire. I haven't seen this proven yet.

2. The products don't adequately (their opinion) balance the tire and that could lead to earlier tire issues like wear/tear or failure.

Anyway, I have no stake in the argument for or against such products. Just providing what I've learned so others can use it....or disregard it.
 
#5 ·
I ran Dyna Beads on quite a few bikes over the years. I noticed that quite a few actually get stuck on the bead lube that gets on the drop center of the wheel and if you didn't use the filtered Schrader valve they could get stuck and cause a slow leak, but where they really worked well was on tube type tires (no mess on the floor when changing tires). The Centramatics bolt on under the rotors and do the same job as the Dyna beads but not sure on how they will look on the newer style rotors. Has anyone tried them on a RG? I ran them on my Goldwing DCT and they worked well.
 
#7 ·
a few years back, when life was reasonable, i tried using ride-on in my tires. per their dosage chart, it took a total of 3 bottles for front and rear. worked good enough, i had no complaints, but then they decided to start charging $20 plus per bottle. no way my cheap bastard © ass is paying $60 just to avoid using stick on weights.

I also checked the Michelin motorcycle tires warranty policy. It states basically the same as Dunlop. Dry or liquid balancers or sealers will void the tire warranty. I was not aware that these major manufacturers had such limitations. I'm wondering if the manufacturer believes either of the following:

1. The products might (their opinion) cause eventual internal damage to the tire. I haven't seen this proven yet.

2. The products don't adequately (their opinion) balance the tire and that could lead to earlier tire issues like wear/tear or failure.

Anyway, I have no stake in the argument for or against such products. Just providing what I've learned so others can use it....or disregard it.
i don't think it's either. i think they just include it because by using beads, or ride-on, you are introducing a variable into the equation that the tire company has no control over. cya for them.
 
#8 ·
a few years back, when life was reasonable, i tried using ride-on in my tires. per their dosage chart, it took a total of 3 bottles for front and rear. worked good enough, i had no complaints, but then they decided to start charging $20 plus per bottle. no way my cheap bastard © ass is paying $60 just to avoid using stick on weights.
Ha! Your post made me start thinking. I bought some Ride-On back in the early spring but decided not to use it. I need to get that listed in the classifieds instead of eating it. 😆
 
#14 ·
Whatever you use, be aware of what goes in your tire.
Had a new
Front tire installed this week and when we got it off the rim we found what you see in the picture.
I went to the shop to have a few words with the piece of shit who installed the tire.
He died about a year ago....Justice denied?
Or delivered?
This could have resulted in catastrophic failure and I was ready to go to jail when I walked into the shop to "talk" to this piece of shit.
The front developed a wicked vibration last week, that, and the fact it was well into the wear bars is why I was swapping the tire. I assumed it was due to some cupping on the tire. Wasn't expecting this.
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#15 ·
Whatever you use, be aware of what goes in your tire.
Had a new
Front tire installed this week and when we got it off the rim we found what you see in the picture.
I went to the shop to have a few words with the piece of shit who installed the tire.
He died about a year ago....Justice denied?
Or delivered?
This could have resulted in catastrophic failure and I was ready to go to jail when I walked into the shop to "talk" to this piece of shit.
The front developed a wicked vibration last week, that, and the fact it was well into the wear bars is why I was swapping the tire. I assumed it was due to some cupping on the tire. Wasn't expecting this.
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What am I looking at?
 
#17 ·
The infuriating part is that I was throwing this shop a bone because they are literally 100 yards from my house and rather than taking the bike to the same guy I have used for my last 3 bikes, I figured I'd give this shop a little business. LESSON LEARNED
 
#18 ·
That's one rabbit hole, I'm glad I didn't go down!!
I know it doesn't matter on a motorcycle, but static balancing is the only way to roll, whether it be a car or a motorcycle!!!
And that's all I got to say about thaaattttt.........
 
#19 ·
Influencers, look at all the parts/farkles bought due to all the forum members recommendations.🤣 We don't even get paid for it, though there is satisfaction helping one another.

Not sure what brand of beads my tire shop used, they were in packets. First time using them when the AE were installed. All I can say is, no vibration felt from either tire, just as prior wheel weights used. So take it for what it's worth.