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I wanted to put this together to help folks running the FP3 to better understand the Auto-Tune Process, how it works and what you can do to help the FP3 ‘LEARN’ all it can during the session.

The FP3 is a very easy-to-use tuner that connects via Bluetooth directly to your smart phone ( Apple or Android ) with Vance and Hines FP3 App ( IT’S FREE ) found in your App Store and has a DEMO MODE so you can play with it without having the tuner. So if you are contemplating a purchase, or you just want to see what it can do ( learn what it does for you and all the variables, settings. ETC…) , you can download the app and play with it.

OK.. Let’s dive into the Auto-Tune Process:

Whatever base map you are running currently can be used for Auto-tune… stock or canned map that closest matches your setup. If you are unsure, you can call Vance and Hines to get their recommendation on which map you should run.

Like a Dyno, the Auto-tune Process uses RPM’s and Throttle Position ( TPS% ) to learn all it can about your bike and how to tune it. A Dyno-run takes several hours, running through the RPM’s from idle to Wide Open throttle with all varying throttle positions, 0-5% ( idle ) to 100% ( wide open ). This allows the technician to dial in the variables that work BEST for your bike. With the Auto-Tune Process, you do this on while you ride. This is where some riders get confused.

First... Let me explain THE TABLE of the FP3. ( I am android-based, colors may be different from Apple )

***monitor your table often (after each ride ) to get an idea of progress… it helps you understand and then concentrate on certain areas***

It’s a BLANK WHITE CHART ( like a spreadsheet ) TPS% is across the top from 0% to 100% and RPM’s down the left side.



Each BLOCK of the chart represents a specific area of RPM range and TPS%. Once a specific RPM and TPS% is reached or attained, the FP3 will start learning that area ( BLOCK ) on the the chart and turn from white to ORANGE. ORANGE means it’s logging data, but hasn’t fully learned yet… IT NEEDS MORE DATA! Now each time you ‘hit’ that area again, it will continue to learn and make adjustments until it has completed and locked it in…. once that happens, the BLOCK will turn GREEN. How many times must you hit that same range in the BLOCK is unknown... how long you have to stay in that same range within the BLOCK is also unknown….sorry… it’s the truth. What I am saying is the time for each BLOCK to learn varies a lot. Some will learn very quickly… other’s won’t. YOU WILL NEVER GET 100% of the TABLE populated to GREEN…. Just know that. You are trying to get AS MUCH AS YOU CAN by varying your riding style and I will get into that later.

I have had several conversations with many people who didn’t quite understand ( which led me to write this ). After installing the FP3 and starting the Auto-Tune Process, they headed down the freeway. 200 miles later, they think they are done… only to look at their table to find a very small portion of the table has been populated. Knowing what you just read in the previous paragraph should have helped you understand why.

Here is a 50 mile freeway run I did. Leaving my house ( 1 mile to freeway )



Screenshot after I got back... another 50 miles.... very little change... except a few Wide Open Throttle runs were done to initiate more learning of the TABLE ( you will understand this later down this thread, so remember it ) and a little aggressive throttle on the takeoffs to initiate blocks in the lower RPM ranges... compare the two pics and you can see more ORANGE in the Upper-left and Lower-right quadrants of the TABLE.



Cruising down the freeway at 65-75 mph in 6th gear for an extended period of time will populate a small area of blocks on the table since you have maintained time in those areas… slowing down a bit, getting on the throttle to pass… etc…. these small but effective changes in RPM’s and TPS% over and over has enabled the FP3 to LEARN your cruise mode quickly….But what about the rest of the table? The low RPM’s and low TPS% as well as the high RPM’s and high TPS%.... how do you MAKE IT LEARN? That is why it is important to vary your riding style…. I call it ‘FORCING THE TUNE’ to the FP3. You have to make it learn by putting your throttle and RPM’s within those BLOCKS that need to be learned.

***This does take some time and some riders will be moved out of their comfort-zone in riding style, I’m sure of it. ONLY DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO!!! What I mean is, if you are not comfortable doing certain things, DON’T. I am just trying to explain HOW to get the most out of your FP3 tuner.***

So… we have the center portion of our TABLE populated in GREEN from the freeway run… good! Let’s move onto some slow city driving and stop and go traffic scenarios.

Low RPM’s and low TPS%

Putting around town from light to light using VERY LITTLE throttle and keeping your RPM’s low will start to populate the upper-left region of the CHART. This is the low RPM/lowTPS% portion of the chart. This area of the chart can be time consuming ( and frustrating at times ) since your riding is not a constant speed or Throttle Position… it’s always changing… therefore it takes a little longer for the FP3 to lock in a GREEN BLOCK… be patient…. I know it’s hard.

After another ride with a little in town riding and a little more aggressive riding...



High RPM’s and High TPS%

A freeway onramp…. A back road, not too busy with traffic… etc…. GET ON IT!!!! This is the lower-right portion of the TABLE. This is the adrenalin-junkys’ best scenario!

***Like I said earlier… only do what you are comfortable doing!***

This lower-right portion of the TABLE is an AGGRESSIVE AREA requiring LOTS of throttle and HIGH RPM’s. If you are not used to riding in the 4000+ rpms, take it slow on the throttle… Road/Street Glides LOVE the high RPM’s ( so do I ) and is a completely different and VERY responsive animal all the way to the REV LIMITER.

Your riding style MUST BE aggressive to populate this portion of the TABLE. Time of the day is important here since you don’t want to be in rush-hour traffic. Start on a freeway onramp… rollon your throttle rather quickly all the way to lock and hold it to the Rev Limiter (your bike will sputter)… SHIFT and twist throttle to the lock again…going thru the gears until you lose your comfort-zone. Remember, this has to be done several times ( not in a row, unless you are addicted to speed ) to enable the FP3 to populate the lower-right portion of the table. Onramps and back roads can also be used for50%-75% TPS and varying RPMS above 3500-6000rpms…. You will just have to monitor your table to see what areas you need to concentrate on to MAKE IT LEARN.

Aggressive riding for this portion of the TABLE can be used on the freeway as well…sometimes 3rd, 4th and 5th gear to keep your RPM’s in the upper range ( 4000+ rpm’s) depending on your speed. Again… maintaining and varying RPM’s and Throttle Position in those particular BLOCK areas will be key to quick population.

Even in the downtown/ back road Scenarios, somewhat aggressive riding can aid in the process… but only do what you are comfortable doing. Aggressive take-offs with 50% or more throttle position works.

Now… I don’t want riders to think I am suggesting UNSAFE riding styles… I am just illustrating EXAMPLES of how to achieve the goal of the MOST COMPLETE TUNE you can get from the FP3. You know your areas… what you can do ( or get away with ) BE YOUR OWN JUDGE. Unfortunately, we don’t have the luxury of the Dyno table and SEVERAL HOURS of running the SAME TYPE of styles I explained above… so we take it to the streets and freeways to accomplish this.

One more thing to explain… the difference between APPLY and FINISH…

When you use the APPLY command during an Auto-Tune session, you basically apply the learned values to the existing tune and continues the process. This will improve the performance, but has one major flaw…. THE TABLE IS WIPED CLEAN and you cannot monitor your progress from what you applied. It’s not lost, it’s saved and being used, but your TABLE starts clean at that point and you have no idea what you need to concentrate on. I don’t like it… therefore I wait until I am done and FINISH to save the completed Auto-Tune session.

At this point of the Auto-Tune Process, you will have to start TARGETING certain areas more to FORCE THE TUNE to those areas still in ORANGE... REMEMBER... 100% OF THE TABLE IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.. the outer edges are more difficult to achieve than those closer inward....especially in the lower RPM ranges and lower TPS% ranges.. do your best and ALWAYS MONITOR YOUR TABLE TO HELP ACHIEVE THE MOST LEARN BLOCKS POSSIBLE BY RIDING WITHIN THOSE RANGES



I hope I have shed some light on the FP3 Auto-Tune Process for some. If you have questions… PLEASE post them here so I can answer them as best I can to aid everyone in learning/understanding the FP3 a little better.
 

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Great write up! I've had my FP3 for a little over a month and have been using the auto tune since the day it was installed, you can do a AT session and leave it open. Next time you fire up the bike it will continue with the previous session. I applied the learned values a couple times so far and it just keeps getting more info to further tune the bike, So far I have about 80% green blocks, I need to do some high RPMs to get the rest of it but it's made a huge difference in not only performance but mileage as well and it just keeps getting better every time I apply the learned values to the tune. So far I am quite impressed with what this unit can do
 

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Thanks for the write-up Spazz.

Just finished my stage 1, so I will begin to (hopefully) improve the canned map using auto-tune.

If I understand correctly, I just need to fire up the scoot, connect the app to the FP3, get into the AT section, choose the map to modify, close the app & just ride. The FP3 will stay in AT mode until I reconnect the app to it and save the new map... which I then flash to the ECM.
I get the point about looking at the map to see how it's learning and what TP% and RPM areas need more riding time. But, once you flash it the "worksheet" blanks out, right?

I figure if I leave it in AT for a couple tanks of fuel I should get a pretty good representation of my riding.
 

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Plug in the FP3.... enter your app and turn on the bike (not start) watch the app for connection.... then enter your auto tune process. Once you are in autotune, you must leave the FP3 connected to the bike under left side panel for the duration of the tune. Regardless if you access the app, it's learning until you apply or finish the tune and flash. I monitor my progress accessing the app after each ride. I never apply ( explained above)
 

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OK, so did a short AT session today.
Got into the AT mode and went out. When I got back home, I wanted to take a look at the progress. Launched app, but it won't let you look at the map - text onscreen says you can't view map in auto-tune mode.
How do you get to the Progress Tracker screen shown above? If I launch the app, it comes up in the screen with all the menu choices. Can't enter View/Edit. If you try to go to AT it will flash the map.
I'm OK with just leaving it in AT mode, but would like to view progress.
 

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OK, so did a short AT session today.
Got into the AT mode and went out. When I got back home, I wanted to take a look at the progress. Launched app, but it won't let you look at the map - text onscreen says you can't view map in auto-tune mode.
How do you get to the Progress Tracker screen shown above? If I launch the app, it comes up in the screen with all the menu choices. Can't enter View/Edit. If you try to go to AT it will flash the map.
I'm OK with just leaving it in AT mode, but would like to view progress.
You can't view the map... the map is the base tune... to need to view the autotune table...that is where you see your progression on what it's learned
 

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You can't view the map... the map is the base tune... to need to view the autotune table...that is where you see your progression on what it's learned
Yes, that's what I meant. After my ride I launched the app and was presented with the menu screen. It is still in auto-tune mode... how do I get to that progress screen with the colored cells?
 

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You can't view the map... the map is the base tune... to need to view the autotune table...that is where you see your progression on what it's learned
Probably not explaining myself clearly.

I enter auto-tune mode & go riding. When I get home I want to view the Progress screen (the worksheet with the white, orange & green cells).

However, when I launch the app, I see the Menu screen:



So, how do I get to this screen? I want to see what was accomplished so far.

 

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You have to click AUTOTUNE IS ACTIVE to see the table
 

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You have to click AUTOTUNE IS ACTIVE to see the table
Hmmm... I can't find anything to click that reads "Autotune is Active."

I hit the power switch, launch the app and I see the Main Menu Screen. It shows "Connected to VINxxxxxx"
My choices are:
AutoTune
View / Edit Maps
Read Trouble Codes
View Sensor Data
Search for a Map
Customer Support

If I enter AutoTune, I am looking at a blank worksheet with a heading "Cells Learned: 0, TPS: 5.9"
Below the sheet (all white cells) my only choices are:
Turn Off AutoTune (on the lower left)
Apply Learned Values (on the lower right).

It would appear that my earlier session, about 30 minutes of local riding, wasn't captured? Or maybe it wasn't enough to color any cells?

I am planning to do about 500 miles tomorrow... we'll see how that goes. The FP3 is attached under the left cover & will stay in AutoTune mode.
 

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Correct... your table is blank...The table should start to populate once you start riding.... hmmm. I never heard this happening before. You have flashed a base map closest to your setup before you started the autotune correct? Just trying to get a handle in this with you.....
 

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Correct... your table is blank...The table should start to populate once you start riding.... hmmm. I never heard this happening before. You have flashed a base map closest to your setup before you started the autotune correct? Just trying to get a handle in this with you.....
And I appreciate you taking the time...

I started by flashing a map that matches my setup: CVO Touring, V&H OS 450s with Power Duals, standard baffle.

Rode it for a day with this base map.

Entered AutoTune, selected this map and the app displayed a blank table. Closed the app and went for a ride. Back in the garage, hit the power switch, let the app connect to FP3 and enter AutoTune. There is where I still see a blank table (0 cells learned) with options to Quit AutoTune or Apply Learned Values.

Let's make sure I have the AutoTune entry process correct:
Hit power switch, bike not started.
Launch app & let it connect to FP3.
Enter AutoTune & select the map I want to tune.
App displays a blank table.
Close app, put device in tour-pak & go riding.

Our screens may be slightly different as I am using an IOS device.
 

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You'll have to forgive me if I lose my mind ( I do sometimes ) I wrote this about a year ago when I performed a few Autotunes on my 14SGS with 3 different setups...lol. Somethings tend to get lost in the abyss we call a brain...

From my memory, you should show AUTO IS ACTIVE on the app if the autotune is started. Now... try this... start your sled and then connect to the app.... you should be able to monitor your sensor data. This will let you ( and me ) know that it's communicating with your sled. You can toggle around the different sensors to display many things ( I'm sure you know this if you have played with it already ) I have had a few instances where the connector had a loose wire and lost COM. It happens....

Let me know what you you got and we will go from there... I am headed out of town for two days, but I will check back here and there... I won't leave you hangin....
 

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You'll have to forgive me if I lose my mind ( I do sometimes ) I wrote this about a year ago when I performed a few Autotunes on my 14SGS with 3 different setups...lol. Somethings tend to get lost in the abyss we call a brain...

From my memory, you should show AUTO IS ACTIVE on the app if the autotune is started. Now... try this... start your sled and then connect to the app.... you should be able to monitor your sensor data. This will let you ( and me ) know that it's communicating with your sled. You can toggle around the different sensors to display many things ( I'm sure you know this if you have played with it already ) I have had a few instances where the connector had a loose wire and lost COM. It happens....

Let me know what you you got and we will go from there... I am headed out of town for two days, but I will check back here and there... I won't leave you hangin....
I really appreciate you taking the time to help a brother out.

I think I've got it. Seems my first attempt wasn't long enough. I did 472 miles today and upon returning home I see colored cells. 45 learned cells. I see a couple WOT cells, and got data up to about 6000 RPM. I think I'll let it build for a few more runs.

Gotta get a mount so I can view sensor data on the road. Too cool.

Thanks again!
 

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You'll have to forgive me if I lose my mind ( I do sometimes ) I wrote this about a year ago when I performed a few Autotunes on my 14SGS with 3 different setups...lol. Somethings tend to get lost in the abyss we call a brain...

From my memory, you should show AUTO IS ACTIVE on the app if the autotune is started. Now... try this... start your sled and then connect to the app.... you should be able to monitor your sensor data. This will let you ( and me ) know that it's communicating with your sled. You can toggle around the different sensors to display many things ( I'm sure you know this if you have played with it already ) I have had a few instances where the connector had a loose wire and lost COM. It happens....

Let me know what you you got and we will go from there... I am headed out of town for two days, but I will check back here and there... I won't leave you hangin....
I really appreciate you taking the time to help a brother out.

I think I've got it. Seems my first attempt wasn't long enough. I did 472 miles today and upon returning home I see colored cells. 45 learned cells. I see a couple WOT cells, and got data up to about 6000 RPM. I think I'll let it build for a few more runs.

Gotta get a mount so I can view sensor data on the road. Too cool.

Thanks again!
Great! Look into http://www.motoxtek.com for the best mount I have found... very small footprint when not used and easily removable... I love mine.

When you monitor your table now... pick a range of rpm/ TPS % and work that area. Like I said... you will NEVER get 100%.. but the more the better.... glad you are showing good progress
 

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Thanks for posting this thread! Just installed an FP3 on my glide and followed your steps and it's working like a charm. Feels like a totally different bike!! The guy @ the dealership was trying to sell me on the SE tuner but I did my homework and knew the FP3 was for me. When I was there he was watching me and seeing all the features and told me he was jealous!!!
 
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