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i have recently grown up and joined the big boys, i traded in my wide glide and now own a 12' Road Glide, i have used the fuel pak from vance and hines in the past and have never had a problem with it, but on here i read that alot of people have had worse experiences. i am wondering what are my options as far as fuel management systems. i am going to install a 2-1 V&H pro pipe and at the time looking at a RSD a/c. what is a PCV and automap, new stuff to me so if you give a suggestion on one over another, tell me why
 

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I have great results with the SERT from HD. I have read about other aftermarket tuners giving people problems, most everyone that has the SERT has no complaints. The biggest complaint about the SERT is that you have to take the bike into the HD dealer to program the tuner.
 

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I have the Pro Pipe, SE A/C, and Power Commander/Autotune. Great performing setup that's easy to install and play with. PCV is a tuner that probably works like the Fuelpak. Autotune is an add-on that plugs into the tuner and utilizes wide band O2 sensors; it adjusts your tuner "trims" in real time to the air/fuel ratios that you choose.

Highly recommend Fuel Moto...price and support are outstanding!
 

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Im up here in Vallejo, have a 2010 FLTRX with a ProPipe and PCV. I would like to do the AutoTune also. I am currently using a canned map. Did you need to use reducers for the O2 sensors, or weld in new bungs?
 

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Im up here in Vallejo, have a 2010 FLTRX with a ProPipe and PCV. I would like to do the AutoTune also. I am currently using a canned map. Did you need to use reducers for the O2 sensors, or weld in new bungs?
When I did the AT, I had a Fuel Moto 2-1 with large and small bungs. I'm pretty sure that when I told Jamie what I wanted to do (the Pro Pipe) he sold me a pipe for a 2009 (mine's a 2010 also) as it had the large bungs for the large sensors that the AT uses. Definitely worthwhile...runs great and got fuel mileage back.
 

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Tatude,

Keep in mind that you're dealing with a newer bike that has oxygen sensors. I would think it's definitely to your advantage to use a tuner that makes use of this technology.

Also keep in mind that if you're going to get it tuned on a dyno, find a good dyno operator and talk to him 1st. Makes no sense to get a tuner and then find out there is no dyno expertise in your area on it.
 

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A good starting place is Fuel Moto. Read the info on their website and then call and talk to Jamie or Keith, they are good guys with a wealth of knowledge. They sell TTS, Thunder Max, and all dyno jet products (PC and Power Vision) as well as all major brands of exhaust and A/C. They are competive and have lifetime customer service. Even if you dont buy from them its a good place to start to get some info.

I ran a Fuel Pak and then a PC on my Fatboy, for the slight difference in $ I found the PC to have a lot more flexability and the bike ran better . The problem with the Fuel Pak is the modes are truely only know by V & H a so the device can not be tuned on a dyno or any one but V & H settings. With a PC you can interact with it, any good tuner can dial it in on their dyno or there are countless MAPS avaible for it ( Fule Moto provides lifetime MAP support if you buy from them)

On the newer bikes we have O2 sensors as well as a lot more info from the engine to the ECM. Because of this IMO using a tuner that still takes advantage of this information (ability to use open and closed loop) makes sense. The Fuel Pak requires that you discoonnect the o2 sensors and it override the ECM in closed loop so does the PC V if you are not running Auto Tune.

On my 2011 RG I started with a PCV that a friend had and the bike ran well. Decided to change to the Power Vision because I wanted to be able to use the O2 sensors and also not have a "piggy back" device on the bike. I got it from Fuel Moto, took about 5 min to flash the ECM with their custom MAP and Im riding. Jamiie helped me get it dialed in the first MAP had a little popping under hard decel, and I changed to a different MAP and its great. The Power Vision also works as a code reader and can be used as a auto tuner if I want to try try build my own MAP or any competent Tuner can use it to build me a custom tune.

Also if I ever need to change it back to the stock MAP, it only takes a few minutes since the Power Vision made a copy of the stock MAP and stored it for me.

There are a lot of good choices out there for tuners, TTS, SERT, Direct Link, Thunder Max Dyno Jet products. Do your research
 

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My 2 cents worth...

If you like plug and play (and forget about it), get the PC from Fuel Moto, double warranty and lifetime support (I think).

If you like to tinker, get the TTS or SEPST. Learn how to V-tune / Smart Tune yourself. Then you can tinker until your pleased (and you learn alot about how these bikes work).

But overall, good advice from others.
 

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wow, awesome advice guys, i really appriciate it, i will definetly be talkin with the people at fuel moto, i am interested in the set ups that allow me to fine tune and tinker, who makes the TTS or SEPST. are those the only options and are those components that require a dyno? or do you go for a ride and then when you get back plug in the laptop and make an adjustment?
 

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Couldn't have made a better suggestion than you did Xaran. I am very pleased with my Power Vision tuner and the service from Jamie at Fuel Moto.
 

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wow, awesome advice guys, i really appriciate it, i will definetly be talkin with the people at fuel moto, i am interested in the set ups that allow me to fine tune and tinker, who makes the TTS or SEPST. are those the only options and are those components that require a dyno? or do you go for a ride and then when you get back plug in the laptop and make an adjustment?
The Power Vision also allows for self tuning. Basically you ride and record data then upload to the PC and create a MAP or do it all on a dyno or load a pre made MAP.

Give Jamie a call a Fuel Moto.
 
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