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What a journey that was. A couple months ago I ordered a Fuel Moto 107 kit, wood 999-6a cams and level b heads. This was going to be my first engine build but I had a couple friends to help me out. One was an auto mechanic and the other had done Harley builds just like this multiple times on his own bikes and other friends bikes so I'm in good hands. We tear it down, send the heads and cylinders in, and FM has them back within the week and it only takes a Saturday to put it all back together. Here's were things go south. I would like to state that this is in no way FMs fault. The videos we watched walk you through the process and make everything rather easy to do. So we get the bike together and start it up just for a second to make sure it runs and shut it down. Everything sounds good other than lifter chatter from the new lifters. I don't personally "own a tuner". I bought a Power Vision license through my local Stealer. So before I can proceed (break in) I have to take it to the Stealer to add the tune. The next day I drop it off. I gave them the base map sent from FM and they tell me they'll add the tune, break it in and Dyno it.

A few days later HD calls me and tell me something isn't right. The bike is bogging and the tune is shutting the fuel off at 3000 rpms. I asked them if they put FMs tune in and they said yes. I told them to contact FM and see what they think. The next day HD calls and said they talked to FM and got a different tune but it didn't help. I had them check the compression and leak down they said I had good compression and leak down. I told them to contact FM again. They said they did and no one new what was going on. So I called FM and asked for Jamie. He informs me that he hasn't spoke to my my local HD. I told him I've been telling HD to call him and they've been telling me that they've been talking to him. So I call my Stealer and start chewing ass. They finally admit they haven't been contacting FM, they've been talking to Dyno Jet. WTF!? You're not calling the company that sells the parts? You're just contacting someone else who doesn't really know what build I have? CALL FM NOW!

Then called me back and said FM said it could be the timing. I knew the timing was right. 3 of us triple checked everything putting it together. But if it has good compression, what else could it be? At this point I was frustrated and said to hell with it. I paid my Stealer 6 hours labor to check the timing. Keep in mind, the Dyno guys have been on a winter schedule and are only working a few days a week so this is taking weeks to do. So they call me back and tell me they, "fixed the timing and it was WAY OFF but the bike still runs the same". Translation: nothing was wrong with the timing but we have to justify charging you 700 bucks. So compression is good and timing is good but the bike doesn't run right.

At this point I've blown my bike build wad and can't afford to keep throwing the Stealer money to be lied too with no results. The bike sounded good when I dropped it off and now it has less power than my 06 road King with an 88. I take the bike back to my friends and tear it apart. Now when we put the bike together we followed everything in the video exactly ring position, made sure they were right side up, everything. But when we pulled the cylinders up the compression rings in the rear cylinders were lined up and the oil rings were lined up! I know they weren't when they went in! There was a puddle of oil sitting on top of the piston. I don't know what happened. Possibly not broke in correctly? I used 20-50 non synthetic oil but maybe they was some leftover synthetic in there that glazed the cylinders? Not real sure but to be honest I was happy to see it. At least I knew what was wrong.

So I ordered a new set of rings and gaskets, honed the cylinders and ordered a Thundermax tuner (I'm never going back to a dealer again). I threw it all together yesterday and she's alive! Went out on a breaking ride yesterday. At first I was really babying it and it still felt like it was bogging. So I went more with the Moto man method. Giving her some throttle and engine breaking. After doing this for a but she started opening up. Can't wait to really open her up! Also matched up with my Bassani Road Rage to into 1 it sounds mean!!

Again, I don't feel like this was in any way Fuel Motos fault. Jamie was nothing less than 100 percent helpful with me as this ordeal was going down but he can only give as much info as he can when the Stealer isn't being honest. If I had a suggestion to someone thinking of doing this build I would be to contact Jamie and ask if he has a dyno man in your area he recommends. Again, I will never go back to a Harley dealership again. Jamie pointed me in the direction of a Dyno shop near me I'll go to when the bikes broke in

Hopefully I'll have some numbers soon and I can give a better description of the monster she is now.
 

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Sorry to hear about the ordeal. Glad you found the problem. I'm getting ready to install a Drago's 107 next week. Fingers crossed to triple check everything. Lol
 

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Kind of story you hear about a lot of dealerships, unfortunately. I have a TMax in my 2010 built 107, absolutely love it.
 

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Kind of story you hear about a lot of dealerships, unfortunately. I have a TMax in my 2010 built 107, absolutely love it.
 

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Sorry to hear about the ordeal. Glad you found the problem. I'm getting ready to install a Drago's 107 next week. Fingers crossed to triple check everything. Lol
Frank didn’t do my build, but helped me a lot, I’m sure you’re going to be happy.
 

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@Speedy540. Where are you located? There are a lot of real tuners out there that can dial that thing in perfect. I promise you someone knows someone in your area that can help you out when you are ready for a real dyno tune. I personally wouldn't use a dealershit to tune. Ive run with lots of guys with dealershit tunes that on paper were making way better numbers then mine and they couldn't keep up. A lot of those numbers can be manipulated. I want to know what my bike is actually making. Not what someone wants me to think its making...
 

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I'm near Lawrence KS. Jamie recommended Powerhouse Cycle and Dyno in Grandview MO. I talked to the guy on the phone. He answered a bunch of questions for me and offered a lot of advice. Never spent a dime with the guy and he's been nothing but helpful and I've heard a few people speak highly of him. When the time comes I'll take my money to a guy like that. I couldn't even talk to a mechanic at Harley. I had to go through the guy at the front desk so it was constantly 2nd hand info.
 

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I'm near Lawrence KS. Jamie recommended Powerhouse Cycle and Dyno in Grandview MO. I talked to the guy on the phone. He answered a bunch of questions for me and offered a lot of advice. Never spent a dime with the guy and he's been nothing but helpful and I've heard a few people speak highly of him. When the time comes I'll take my money to a guy like that. I couldn't even talk to a mechanic at Harley. I had to go through the guy at the front desk so it was constantly 2nd hand info.
Go see Joe at Powerhouse. You’ll be happy.
 

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If you bought the 107 kit from fuel moto, why didn’t you buy the power vision from them?They would have loaded a map for the package you bought, plug and play.Congrats on the build anyways!
 

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Sorry about the troubles you had getting there. After Battlefield Harley messed up my Stage 4 kit, I gave up on anything more than cams. Been using Indy shops ever since.
 

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Fuel Moto gave me a basemap for the power vision license that I had. Regardless of whether I bought the power vision from them with the basemap or put the basemap in at the dealership, you should still Dyno tune it. The basemap is really just as it sounds. Just a starting point. Every bike is different so it should be fine tuned. They ended up giving me a basemap for the Thundermax and the Thundermax will do the fine tuning
 

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I'm near Lawrence KS. Jamie recommended Powerhouse Cycle and Dyno in Grandview MO. I talked to the guy on the phone. He answered a bunch of questions for me and offered a lot of advice. Never spent a dime with the guy and he's been nothing but helpful and I've heard a few people speak highly of him. When the time comes I'll take my money to a guy like that. I couldn't even talk to a mechanic at Harley. I had to go through the guy at the front desk so it was constantly 2nd hand info.
The guy you probably talked to was Joe from Power House, I am also in KC and I had him do a tune on my 13 RGC, he is more than willing to go the extra mile for you, I am not sure which stealer you went to but honestly I only buy parts from the ones out here and only if I have too, Worth seems ok so far but Gails, and Rawhide are horrible.
 
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