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Who has a Garmin GPS with the trip planner? I want to pull the trigger on this but I need some feedback about the trip planning feature.

Are you able to plan an extensive trip or would you have to load the trip in parts? I am planning a long trip this summer and would like to load the whole trip into the GPS if I could. Any feedback will be much appreciated. Thanks.
 

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I have a 660 and use it with Basecamp to plot routes. Mostly because I have extensive experience with Basecamp with using my handheld for hiking,backpacking and whitewater trips.
 

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basecamp is a free download. why not download it and play with it before you buy.

http://www.garmin.com/en-US/shop/downloads/basecamp

and here is some info on planning a trip. (not the harley tripplanner)

http://support.garmin.com/support/s...caseId={4a9e9c60-cf9d-11e2-4085-000000000000}

one thing that i've seen folks do is to break up there 'trip'. instead of one 3000 mile trip, they will have multiple trips, one for each day.

i've just recently picked up a used 660 and have been playing around with it, but am still a relative newby with it. i did purchase a nuvi last year to get my feet wet with gps on the bike, which allowed me to play some with basecamp, but i found that the sun bleached out the screen too much and made it virtually worthless on the bike. even with an angled mount and a glare stomper. it is a large chunk of change, but the bike specific units that have a brighter screen and are weatherproof are a decent investment. especially if you can find one used, or if you purchase from a discounter (pcpain was gonna save me almost $300)
 

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I've used Garmins for the last 6 years or so - first a Nuvi 7 series because it let me load custom routes without buying a Zumo. I finally spent the money on a Zumo 665 because I was tired of ziplock bags in the rain, and because my Nuvi's (I had a backup on long trips) were wearing out.

If you don't spring for a Zumo, you have to be sure you get a model that lets you load custom routes. Not many Garmins do this anymore.

As for planning software, any program that lets you save your plan as a .gpx file should work. I used HD Ride Planner for years, and it worked fine. Unless you plan your route in segments, with each being a separate route, you have to load the whole trip. The GPS can handle that just fine.

I switched to Base Camp about two years ago. It's hard to learn, and I gave up twice before it finally clicked with me. Now, I won't use anything else. It's infinitely more powerful than Ride Planner.

Here's why I switched: (1) no "undo" in Ride Planner, so if you make a mistake that changes the route or if you change your mind about the route, fixing it can be a challenge. (2) Base Camp has some powerful tools that let you estimate how long a part of the route takes. It's surprisingly accurate. (3) I can search for hotels by brand, can find gas stations, places to eat - all very easily. (4) I don't HAVE to break the route down into smaller segments - but I can if I want to by dragging the starting point, waypoints, and destination into a new list. The entire route is still there, but I have a sub- list used for the day. This is helpful to me because sometimes we make changes along the way. I can edit not only where we're going, but what we did the previous day so I have an accurate record of the trip. If I think I'm going through Baton Rouge and go up to Shreveport instead to miss weather, I can fix that so the GPS knows where I am the next day. It just really works well for me.

Most don't take the time to learn BC. I get that. I used Ride Planner for a 5800- mile trip in '12, and it worked pretty well. I used BC for a 5000-mile trip in '13 with the whole route loaded and it worked great. This year, an 8500-mile trip, but I broke the route up each day (in part, for a friend using the mighty 9-waypoint Infotainment system), and that worked great, too. The GPS loads the route faster if it's loading 700 miles instead of 8500.

Now I'll get flamed by the Base Camp haters.

Good luck!
 

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I've had Garmins now for 8 years and have not had any trouble using either the MapSource software or the Basecamp software to plan trips and upload them to the Zumo 660 and the Zumo 500 before that. I've also had success using the Harley-Davidson Trip Planner on the HOG website and been able to transfer that trip to the Garmin. Just learn the software, and have fun. The only ride I had trouble with was the very first one that I planned. I did not use the "Avoid Dirt Roads" on the Navigation section in setup and wound up going over one of the Bershire Mountains on a fire road that got to be pretty "off road" for a Road King Classic! My riding buddy was not happy!

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I use a Road Tech (Harley's version of the Zumo) 660. I used Mapsource, and eventually switched to Basecamp. I have planned a couple different long trips (3000+ miles) with no problems. As some have said, it is kinda difficult to learn, but it is a very powerful program.
 

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Now I'll get flamed by the Base Camp haters.

Good luck!

I really need to find someone that uses BaseCamp to sit down with me and show me how to make it work. As it is, it is one of the most non-intuitive pieces of shit I've ever tried to use. I've used CAD/CAM software that was more intuitive and easier to use.
I spent a bunch of time last summer trying to use it, spent a bunch of time watching the videos and conversing with the experts on Garmin's forum, only to become more frustrated than ever.
I just fired it up again after reading your post hoping that suddenly something would click and make sense. No such luck, all it did was raise my blood pressure.

It's no wonder very few of the new Garmins allow you to upload custom maps(Oops, sorry, its a ROUTE, not a map. That's one of the few tidbits I did learn from the Garmin wizards).
Uploading custom maps is a useless feature IF YOU CAN"T FIND A USEABLE F^&KING PROGRAM TO MAKE A CUSTOM ROUTE!!!

Most days I consider myself to be at least a couple steps above a village idiot, until I try something as simply as drawing a map, sorry, ROUTE, with a computer, and suddenly I feel like a blithering idiot.
I really have a hard time believing there's more than a couple dozen people in the country doing it successfully.
I've heard what a joke the Infotainment system is, hopefully I'll remember that when I go bike shopping.

I for one LIKE Ride Planner. Enter a start point, enter an end point, drag the lines so it takes you to the places in between that you want to see. Save each day of the trip separately, loading up a new one every morning. Works just fine, with FAR less effort than any other method I've tried.
 

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I really need to find someone that uses BaseCamp to sit down with me and show me how to make it work. As it is, it is one of the most non-intuitive pieces of shit I've ever tried to use. I've used CAD/CAM software that was more intuitive and easier to use.
I spent a bunch of time last summer trying to use it, spent a bunch of time watching the videos and conversing with the experts on Garmin's forum, only to become more frustrated than ever.
I just fired it up again after reading your post hoping that suddenly something would click and make sense. No such luck, all it did was raise my blood pressure.

It's no wonder very few of the new Garmins allow you to upload custom maps(Oops, sorry, its a ROUTE, not a map. That's one of the few tidbits I did learn from the Garmin wizards).
Uploading custom maps is a useless feature IF YOU CAN"T FIND A USEABLE F^&KING PROGRAM TO MAKE A CUSTOM ROUTE!!!

Most days I consider myself to be at least a couple steps above a village idiot, until I try something as simply as drawing a map, sorry, ROUTE, with a computer, and suddenly I feel like a blithering idiot.
I really have a hard time believing there's more than a couple dozen people in the country doing it successfully.
I've heard what a joke the Infotainment system is, hopefully I'll remember that when I go bike shopping.

I for one LIKE Ride Planner. Enter a start point, enter an end point, drag the lines so it takes you to the places in between that you want to see. Save each day of the trip separately, loading up a new one every morning. Works just fine, with FAR less effort than any other method I've tried.
Here ya go . . . this forum is what made me go from hating Basecamp to loving it. It's actually a very good program, but does take quite a bit to learn it.

http://forums.delphiforums.com/GarminBasecamp
 

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Here ya go . . . this forum is what made me go from hating Basecamp to loving it. It's actually a very good program, but does take quite a bit to learn it.

http://forums.delphiforums.com/GarminBasecamp

Thanks, I'll take another look at it, maybe there's something there that will make it click. I'm always willing to learn, but sometimes easily frustrated.

The whole problem here is that it shouldn't "take quite a bit" to learn to draw a map. You can do it on Google, Mapquest, or Ride Planner in just moments, you'd think a business that was in business to give you directions could do a decent job if it.
 

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Thanks, I'll take another look at it, maybe there's something there that will make it click. I'm always willing to learn, but sometimes easily frustrated.

The whole problem here is that it shouldn't "take quite a bit" to learn to draw a map. You can do it on Google, Mapquest, or Ride Planner in just moments, you'd think a business that was in business to give you directions could do a decent job if it.
I know the feeling. I held out for as long as I could because I hated Basecamp and would have to resist from throwing my computer out the window every time I used it.
 

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I really don't have an interest in doing all the crap that you guys are talking about. All I want is to be able to enter turn by turn directions that I have chosen from a hard copy road atlas. I have looked at the HD ride planner. That looks like a neat feature. I don't have the patience to use something like Basecamp. Sounds like I may go to the Road Tech over the Garmin.
 

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I really don't have an interest in doing all the crap that you guys are talking about. All I want is to be able to enter turn by turn directions that I have chosen from a hard copy road atlas. I have looked at the HD ride planner. That looks like a neat feature. I don't have the patience to use something like Basecamp. Sounds like I may go to the Road Tech over the Garmin.
Really the only big difference between the Road Tech and the Garmin version is that the Road Tech will interface with the Harley radio (with the nav interface unit) It also has all the Harley dealers pre loaded. Other than that, it's the same unit. For me, being able to interface it with the radio was a big enough deal to make me get the Road Tech version
 

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Shop around for both the Harley Road Tech and the Garmin Zumo 660 or 665. Usually you can pick up a Harley Road Tech for less then the Garmin at a discount dealer. The only difference between the two is the Road Tech comes in Harley Colors and has the Harley Dealers location pre-loaded, not such a big deal as you can download the Harley Dealers list and install it in a Garmin Zumo. Both these units are the same inside. One exception is that if you plan on installing or using the Harley Navigation Interface Module (NIM) you will need to use the Harley Road Tech the Zumo will not work. The new Garmin Zumo 590LM is easier to see in the sunlight and has some nice features but is a little pricy. If you use polarized sun glasses you will have a hard time seeing any GPS screen.

You can use any ride planner software to create a route as long as it will save the route in a GPX file format. Base Camp is difficult to grasp but if you play with it awhile you will pick up most of what you need to plan a route. It is very powerful and will do lots of things that most people will never if seldom use. Harley ride planner is limited to 9 via point which means it is useless for long rides unless you break up the routes into shorter day routes.

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My bike is 01. Will the interface module work with that as I still have OEM radio? I would be looking at the HD Road Tech.
 

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My zumo 550 has taken me around the USA for 6 years now (200K mi.). What finally worked for me was learning to make good way points. If you go to the POI site you'll find all kind of really great things to down load, even all the HD dealers.
I hope I'll be able to use it with my new 2015 thru the bikes speakers. Have XM so I don't use the "radio" but like to hear my turn by turn directions.
 

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My bike is 01. Will the interface module work with that as I still have OEM radio? I would be looking at the HD Road Tech.
As an alternative, you can still connect it to your "aux" input. It just won't work with the NIM (Navigation Interface Module)
 

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Thanks, I'll take another look at it, maybe there's something there that will make it click. I'm always willing to learn, but sometimes easily frustrated.

The whole problem here is that it shouldn't "take quite a bit" to learn to draw a map. You can do it on Google, Mapquest, or Ride Planner in just moments, you'd think a business that was in business to give you directions could do a decent job if it.
It took me a couple tries of using BC before I started to understand what its doing. One thing that still drives me crazy is the search function, very slow.

When using it be sure to have your GPS plugged into your computer so it is using the same map as what you will be using when on the road.
 

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I switched to Base Camp about two years ago. It's hard to learn, and I gave up twice before it finally clicked with me. Now, I won't use anything else. It's infinitely more powerful than Ride Planner.


Good luck!

Agree 100%. Much better than the previous Mapquest software. I can plan a complex ride faster with Basecamp than with any other means.
 
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