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Discussion starter · #21 ·
I did a little follow up with Marcus at JRi... And I confirmed with him that anyone can order direct and the new JRI B's are now available for $880.00 retail. A fork kit is also in the works from JRi... It's still in the R&D stages and I hope to be testing it before the end of the season...
 
I'm glad you finally got this sorted out, my steel body version doesn't leak but they are due this winter for a refurbish, In your opinion are the new shocks better than what I have? I could refurb and sell and repurchase the new ones over the winter? I think I finally have mine dialed in after doing a spring change this summer.
 
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Sound like the the self proclaimed guru of suspensions may have set you up with the wrong spring rate also... That's one of the many reason I suggest riders deal directly with JRI... I have made a previous post on how to tune these shocks that even JRI recognized as spot on... not to mention easy... If anyones interested I'll repost it or you may find it on JRI's website... They are interested in you being 100% satisfied they don't need to inflate there intelligence while discounting yours which is what I encountered with the original point of purchase "guru". SO back to the question. Properly set up I think it would be difficult to tell the difference in the 2 shocks. What is interesting Marcus suggested and also installed the heavier spring on the B's second time around after valving changes and I literally set sag and positioned the sweep valve 30 clicks out and had to only make 1 click of adjustment to use 99% of the stroke in normal riding conditions the compression dampening literally stopped the shock from bottoming 100% I believe I like a firmer ride than most... Also worth noting on the B's 1 click equals 3 on the originals... What I would like to do is install the heavier spring on the steel bodies and see how the performance is, I think that would be the only way to properly answer your question... But there's really no reason too because I'm totally satisfied with the B's.

The average rider shouldn't have a single ounce of apprehension in upgrading there shocks and you don't need a self proclaimed guru to hold your hand and walk you through ANYTHING, all you need is a zip tie a couple washers for alignment and spacing (that may not be necessary)... average intelligence... a mile or two of interstate and you'll have your shocks working quite well within an hour... This shit's not hard nor rocket science... once you set your preload it's as easy as adjusting the volume on your radio.... Don't let anyone tell you any different. I've read countless posts of riders struggling with set up... there is simply no need for that.


I'm glad you finally got this sorted out, my steel body version doesn't leak but they are due this winter for a refurbish, In your opinion are the new shocks better than what I have? I could refurb and sell and repurchase the new ones over the winter? I think I finally have mine dialed in after doing a spring change this summer.
 
I did a spring change in the fall, and it made a huge difference! I had 23nm springs and went to the 25nm spring, when I bought the shocks my gf could ride with me but she can no longer ride due to medical issues so I went with the 25's not the 27's. I would say that I am happy with my shocks now much more than in the past, New York roads are pretty piss poor and I don't even think of it anymore.
 
SloGuy , you are a joke , I encourage everyone to read all his post and you will see he has no knowledge or understanding of suspension and like most forums is looking for a place to blame others for his lack of ability , if you want to buy JRi yes buy them direct from my understanding Howard dumped their line , why ? After the company changed hands the new owners started having everything made in China , the original black shocks are American made , secondly Tim and his crew that built the motorcycle division left for these and other reasons , I knew Tim , Chad and the crew , great guys , Now they hire Marcus and please research him as well , he had a racing team and suspension business in Texas , he is not very well respected or liked and doesn't have a good reputation except for SloGuy who apparently loves him , under Marcus most shocks sold wind up getting returned for various quality control issues , Howard had to replace some shocks 3 times to make it right , so now Marcus wants to blame his issues on others , believe what you will but a little research will show you Marcus is not a shock expert and SloGuy has no suspension knowledge , I hate post like this but SloGuy wants to keep taking shots at Howard on a open forum knowing Howard will not respond
 
SloGuy , you are a joke , I encourage everyone to read all his post and you will see he has no knowledge or understanding of suspension and like most forums is looking for a place to blame others for his lack of ability , if you want to buy JRi yes buy them direct from my understanding Howard dumped their line , why ? After the company changed hands the new owners started having everything made in China , the original black shocks are American made , secondly Tim and his crew that built the motorcycle division left for these and other reasons , I knew Tim , Chad and the crew , great guys , Now they hire Marcus and please research him as well , he had a racing team and suspension business in Texas , he is not very well respected or liked and doesn't have a good reputation except for SloGuy who apparently loves him , under Marcus most shocks sold wind up getting returned for various quality control issues , Howard had to replace some shocks 3 times to make it right , so now Marcus wants to blame his issues on others , believe what you will but a little research will show you Marcus is not a shock expert and SloGuy has no suspension knowledge , I hate post like this but SloGuy wants to keep taking shots at Howard on a open forum knowing Howard will not respond
TJ,

I don't know you, but you are right that Tim and Chad are good guys. In several articles I have written...I usually try to list my mentors as most suspension guys seem to forget that they learned from other people. Tim is mentioned as mentor in at least one article I have written.

I have been in the suspension business for nearly 15 years. Overall I have been in the motorsports business for 27 years as a racer, instructor, vendor, suspsension builder, etc. I have built road racing, drag racing, and street products for over a decade. This includes several thousand customers.

I have found that I will not convince one person of anything on a BBS, but if someone should read this, I would at least like them to know that your characterization of my background is incorrect. I hope it was not intentional, but I also realize this is a hobby for most and slinging mud is a fun way to burn time.

Over the last 15 years I have spent a tremendous amount trying to provide free help and information to make the sport more enjoyable. I am lifelong motorcyclist and passionately love what I do. Again, I didn't start to do this yesterday and was a top National Dealer over a decade ago. I have had 1000's of students attend classes and seminars I have conducted over the last 15 years.

Here are some articles that you may enjoy. I have put out many articles for many years that are free. We will also have our Harley Manual out for free shortly, which all suspension product owners will like as it is a thorough "how to guide" for general Harley Suspension setup.

http://www.rpsraceteam.com/#!how-a-shock-works/c11i7
http://media.wix.com/ugd/2307a0_424ad0e799f649e2af73ad36547f2789.pdf

Lastly, all Harley shocks we now sell (and since I have been here) are made in America...THEY ARE NOT MADE in China. Any other statement to that effect is not true.

I won't comment on anything else, my long experience is that any discussion of the nature of the items listed are not going to be discussed in any civilized manner. I am not offended in most cases of what anyone will say about me or the companies I have owned or worked for. I have learned (and yes for doing this a long time) that you will never win/look good/or even get constructive results from a "BBS Argument". At the same time, a quick Google search of my name "Marcus McBain" will prove almost all the statements made about me to be false and show my lifelong commitment to this sport of ours.

Marcus
 
Marcus , glad you joined the forum. This is a great forum and we don't like pissing matches on here but SlowGuy probably with some encouragement wanted to take it that direction. I'm not going to debate this issue or post on this thread after this , however I stand by my post. The racing world and suspension business is a small circle , I know many people in it . I also know many past and current JRi employees and what you feel your reputation is and what others feel are pretty far apart. Most shock companies do not make their shocks , they design and assemble them and buy the parts from suppliers. So made or assembled in America , just like a Harley is always questionable and up to interpretation . When a customer buys a JRi shock it is assembled and then shipped direct from JRi to the customer rather buying direct or through another source . So when people on this forum and other forums complain of leaking shocks , cosmetic damage done during assembly and the spring not matching the invoice etc. at least now they know who is responsible for these mistakes and who to contact to correct them .
 
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tj.... My dealings with Howard were not very good when I encountered the original problem 6 months after purchase nothing was replaced I was told "Ship them back to JRI". He repeatedly spoke very badly about JRI and Marcus when the problem reoccured yet he was selling there product he was no help in resolving the problems I had with the shocks I purchased from him, after the sale I was instructed to deal with JRI I think it's also worth noting that the problem shocks were not "fixed" until Marcus was involved with JRI, he found the issue and designed a permanent fix. When I had the initial problem the old crew was still there, I tried repeatedly to talk to them and also e-mailed them with no response. Marcus has spoken directly with me and has bent over backwards to get the problem resolved and has always returned my phone calls and answered questions intelligently. I'm not going to insult Howard or Motorcycle Metal I simply will say I was not happy with how he spoke to me, how he spoke about JRI or the service I received, if your experience was better I am happy to hear that. I for one do not appreciate someone bashing a company that sold me there product that's simply unprofessional I could care less about there business relationship, in fact I was even told one time "I only made 25 bucks on these shocks when I sold them to you" discounting the 1000.00 purchase price I paid him. Since I have dealt directly with JRI the service has been beyond my expectations, they have never spoken a word about my point of purchase, that's called professionalism... There has obviously been a falling out between them and that in my opinion is better for us the consumer, I'm not sure how others feel but I appreciate dealing with the horses mouth not it's tail. I am not a fan of anyone nor "In love" as you say in your rude post, but I will encourage others to purchase where I personally have received excellent service. If it makes you feel good to speak about myself as you have below, so be it... All I will say in response is I suppose with that type of language and rude remarks I can clearly see why you and Howard get along so well. JRI has a great product at a great price with even better service... I don't know what more anyone could ask for... As time passes and the new product continues to be sold the reputation will speak for itself I'm confident of that. Peace and be the change that you want to see in the world, don't speak rude to people or about people that are doing a great job and giving great service!!!!

SloGuy , you are a joke , I encourage everyone to read all his post and you will see he has no knowledge or understanding of suspension and like most forums is looking for a place to blame others for his lack of ability , if you want to buy JRi yes buy them direct from my understanding Howard dumped their line , why ? After the company changed hands the new owners started having everything made in China , the original black shocks are American made , secondly Tim and his crew that built the motorcycle division left for these and other reasons , I knew Tim , Chad and the crew , great guys , Now they hire Marcus and please research him as well , he had a racing team and suspension business in Texas , he is not very well respected or liked and doesn't have a good reputation except for SloGuy who apparently loves him , under Marcus most shocks sold wind up getting returned for various quality control issues , Howard had to replace some shocks 3 times to make it right , so now Marcus wants to blame his issues on others , believe what you will but a little research will show you Marcus is not a shock expert and SloGuy has no suspension knowledge , I hate post like this but SloGuy wants to keep taking shots at Howard on a open forum knowing Howard will not respond
 
SlowGuy this is now absolutely my last post but I will answer your jabs at me . If you came on here praising JRi and Marcus I would have never posted on this thread , but you didn't . It started out that way but as your post continued you started taking shots at Howard knowing he is not a forum sponsor and would not respond. You seemed empowered that you could fire shots without any recourse . I let the early shots go which now you seem to have deleted from this thread for some reason until you started with the suspension guru comments . Enough was enough , you weren't promoting JRi or Marcus you were slamming Howard and thought you were cute doing it. So I responded and that offended you. Well don't dish it out and you won't get it back. In the end I will say I've bought 2 sets of Ohlins , 1 set of JRi and a Ohlins front end from Howard , I find him to be a suspension expert and enjoy our dealings. I spoke to him about your post and lets just say there is your story , his story and the truth probably in the middle , and it is not as simple as you have stated . I raced for many years , held a professional license , know many people in the racing world and suspension people and stand by my previous comments . In the end you like JRi and Marcus , great lets leave it at that . I like Ohlins and Howard , great lets leave it at that . Don't slam others and you won't get it back. THE END
 
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I speak the truth and have no reason to lie.... In fact if I had the energy to reiterate the entire dialog I had with Howard it would sound much worse. I wonder if he also told you abut the e-mail I received from him when I asked him if he had any recommendations on wheel and tire size for the best handling. I kid you not his response was. "Why don't you put a 27' wheel on it so you can be like the rest of the BOZO's out there" and he was even kind enough to attach a photo of Bozo the clown, I couldn't believe it... Then he stated "Didn't you learn anything about the effects of inertia in high school?" To speak to a customer that just spent 1000 buck with you like that is absurd! I promptly called him because I was pissed... He responded he was only joking... Joking or not it was a simple question that deserved a simply answer. it would have took less effort to respond appropriately. Howard also encouraged me to threaten JRI that I would post bad things about them in the forum if I didn't get a refund so I could purchase Ohlins shocks from him, this to me simply sounded pretty shady just as his so called "special discount" is if you post in a forum where you purchased your shocks does. I'm glad you have had a better experience and your pleased. My endorsement and review of JRI is based solely on the quality and performance of the product and the customer service I received... We had some problems and I did not sugar coat anything nor praise during that process and only stated the facts, I could have received a refund if I so desired because of the problems I encountered and elected not to because I could tell that JRI and Marcus were working to get things sorted out by the way I was spoken to, the new shocks were still in the development stage, in working together with Marcus and evaluating things I feel we nailed it and the shocks perform excellent now. Future customers will all benefit from this. I've made a few posts in the forums here only to give back for some of the excellent information I have received from others doing the same. No one benefits if the truth is not spoken.

One last word from me on this subject which may help define our differences as far as riding goes... and no disrespect is intended to you however it may sound that way but your the one bragging about road racing skills. If that's your bike in the photo, there is simply no possible way with ape hangers that you could evaluate a performance suspension the way I have. Performance suspension is about control at lean angles that can not be safely achieved with apes it's just not feasible to counter steer a motorcycle with bars that high. Of course your in Florida where the roads are straight and smooth... Here in Ohio there's plenty of curves not to mention our roads are less than perfect, we have few straight roads like in Florida and the ones we do have like that I tend to avoid them. I've rode Florida many times it's boring as far as technical riding goes and quit frankly a hard tail wouldn't feel all that bad on your roads. But the good news is a pleasant side effect of a great handling properly set up suspension is superior ride quality all around.
 
Let it go SlowGuy , BTW they are not apes , they hit me chest high like Heritage bars would . Here are two pictures for you of my rear tire after returning from North Carolina with my tour pak on and riding 2up with my wife . I run a 2-1 exhaust . Look at the left side of my tire where I have no exhaust , you see no chicken strip , on the ride side I have a 1/2" chicken strip only because I was dragging and wearing a flat spot in my pipe at that point . I simply couldn't lean the bike over any further. So if I'm using up all my rear tire that I possibly can , how much further can I go with shorter handle bars ? Give it up and let it lie.
 

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I have wasted entirely to much time communicating with YOU... I am glad you had such a great experience with M.M. I am sure you were also given a special discount for your endorsement just as he asked me to do... Fuel Moto sells the same product also...

With that said I remain entirely unimpressed with the photos of you tires and you ability to counter steer with ape hangers while dragging your muffler however I bet the sparks look really cool at night. If that floats your boat I'm happy for you! I'd recommend ridding over to Howard's house and showing him.

Good day!
 
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I feel it's appropriate to refocus this thread since it was rudely redirected. I felt compelled enough to spend sometime to review and state the problems and issues I encountered with one of the most commonly replaced items on our R.G.'s. It's pretty obvious by the nature of what this thread has regretfully turned into some people have issues or may be falsely representing who they are... I have often questioned if small retailers don't come to forums bragging about how great some unheard business is when in reality there blowing there own horn.

Enough of that. I feel individuals making a purchase should use some practical judgement. If you going to choose Ohlins shocks and you really believe that the shocks need to be disassemble by some self proclaimed guru in his shop to be modified and fixed so they work better than new... Well believe it, that's your choice. Fuel Moto sells the same products just FYI. I suppose anything is possible especially coming from a company that manufactures suspensions for the best riders on the planet riding the fastest motorcycles on the planet in Moto G.P. racing (viva~la~Rossi~lets win this weekend). Personally I don't buy it... And you shouldn't either... I was sucked in to this bragging that is all over the forums how great M.M. is, heaven forbid someone actually has the balls to state some facts that giving multiple interactions was disappointed and extremely dissatisfied, sorry I don't need a discount to give a positive review or negative review. If you disagree with me cool... You have that right. But this I will say you are not going to speak directly to Ohlins if you have problems and also use your own practical judgement, if you think your RoadGlide needs the more money than brains suspension to behave well in corners and also give a good ride... DO IT... I would beg to differ with you...A properly set up and well sorted decent quality shock, properly adjusted is more than adequate for anyone riding a RoadGlide dragging there muffler or floor boards... My friends don't tech out on choosing suspension products for your bikes however do research how to setup whatever you do purchase... I don't care what brand and I am personally going to start a new thread explaining the procedure I used... It's so simple a child can do it. I had to figure it out myself and when I spoke to the guru of suspensions Howard and M.M. and told him about it his response was and I quote "See your learning" I asked him if your so freaking smart why did you not share this information with me? He promptly hung up the phone. You see some people inflate there own intelligence by discounting that of others...If your selling this type of product why would you want to ever say to a customer "See your learning". A sign of mental illness is those who want to keep secrets and know things that others don't he's likely got connections at the CIA and FBI also, thats just bull crap. I hope others had great experiences with him it is not my intent to insult nor damage anyones business... But if the truth hurts and sounds like this does... That's not my problem. I was offended multiple times, not helped when I had problems in warranty, and quite frankly left to get my own problem straighten out because his buddies are no longer working at JRI and all the time telling me how terrible those people and the company is... There professional relationship was falling apart and personally I can see why... Enter Marcus and my contact and interaction with JRI... It has been nothing but a joy to deal with the company there dedicated to producing a quality product that works for our bikes that you don't need to spend an arm and leg on and may I also say in short order has done so since Marcus came on board. I am personally glad to have interacted with him, absolutely during the sorting out process I was disappointed initially, Ok some self proclaimed bragging rights here... after I explained to Marcus the procedure I used in setting up the new shocks and explained what they were doing, he responded "Send them back" not "See your learning" he was able to identify there was actually a problem and did not side step the issue, sure I've learned a few things here but they were self discovered and future purchasers of this product will all benefit from this as myself has... JRI is not some under the radar company they also produce products for drag, off road, short track. stock car and motorcycle racing. They don't need someone telling them how to build a shock and they service what they sell not to mention you can if necessary speak to someone in charge of there motorcycle division if necessary. It is going to be interesting to see how the fork units are going to work out...

I'm stepping down off the soap box... and I obviously had my feathers ruffled... TJ... leave me alone and be respectful to others, I am sorry I have to uncover the truth of my experience with M.M. however my intent is to help others and give back to the forum.
 
I have been reading this ridiculous thread for a while now I have don't post too often here but need to say that I have have had nothing but excellent service from Howard at MM as well. He has always done everything he said he would do for me and gave me what I consider a fair deal. I get that you have a bone to pick with him and it certainly is none of my business but you continue to say that you are done posting in this and just keep on doing it over and over and over...
I have no idea what he did to you or anyone else but I have run the Ohlin's that he set up for me for over 24000 miles and I certainly am not a professional racer or make any statements about how talented I am or not talented anyone else is but I do ride aggressively from reading this and other forums and seeing that I wear out a rear tire about every 5000 miles and I absolutely love my rear shocks.
I'm sure this will fire you up slow-guy and I
Really don't mean to do that but I do want to bring another successful story about Howard to the table. If that pisses you off well.. Sorry but there always is 2 sides to every situation.
 
Ok, I read a lot of threads, and normally when they start becoming conflicting, I steer away. I'm going to try to be brief if possible, but also add my thoughts. Up to post #23 this was a completely normal thread, suddenly after one forum member asked a simple question there was an unprovoked attack against a person who has not even posted on this thread for no apparent reason. My story in short, I've been dealing with Howard for a couple of years. When I first met Howard (MM) he was at Daytona, he didn't know me from anybody else coming up to his booth and asking questions. I explained to him I may be interested in shocks (at the time I had gone from OEM to Progressive and still wasn't too happy), and he explained a few things to me, fast forward a whole year later, I still have the same shocks and decide I may finally make a change, during this time I've seen Howard at 2 more rallies, talked to him but still have not bought anything. Bike week 2013, I decide to order shocks from Howard, he gives me a choice of JRI or Ohlin, for my own personal reasons I go with JRI, I order the shocks, then find to my surprise Howard is in Florida and lives 20 minutes away from me. Let me try to rush through this, I go to Howards house and he installs the shocks..... no charge and wouldn't let me give him anything, we both get on our bikes and go for a ride, I notice a difference immediately and Howard informs me they should get even better after breaking in. Fast forward one month later, I see Howard in Leesburg, we go over my riding impressions, he makes a couple of clicks to the shocks, and now I'm really happy. Could I have fine tuned the shocks myself yes, I'm sure I could have, but when you have someone who does this for a living willing to help, why not take advantage? Also in all of my trips to Howards booth, there have been several satisfied present and past customers, a lot of folks he spent time with who didn't buy anything, and I didn't notice him being rude to anyone weather they did or didn't buy anything. Now, back to the thread. I'm not a shock expert at all, but I do like to ride, I've only been riding a little over 40 years, so I think I may be past the novice stage. To be a little blunt, and try not to be offensive, I just don't think it's right for somebody to come on this forum and slam people but constantly say they aren't being rude or attacking anybody when there is constant sarcasm and jabs that say otherwise. If the other person were on here and you were going back and forth, that's one thing, or even if it was just stated plane and simple that you're not happy, ok, but to launch a personal attack and keep going and using the defense that he was rude to you........well where's the proof? I also hope this thread will go back to being just about JRI shocks, and I will probably continue to read, but may not post. Marcus, I don't know who you are, and know nothing about you, but I hope you will be successful at JRI and make a great shock even better. Slo guy, I've never met you, and I'm not trying to offend you, but IMO the slamming in this thread was not necessary, also when you try to tell somebody how they can ride because of the handle bars they have, that shows you need to be more observant and look, I personally know a young lady on a Honda who when she had regular bars that she was uncomfortable with, would slow down before any kind of turn, I wish I could would of made a film of how she corners now....she will be needing more floorboards soon, and her bike hasn't been lowered. Comfort in your riding position means a lot, also contrary to popular belief there are some roads with curves in Florida, you just have to know where to go. Administrator....if I'm out of line in any of my comments, please let me know, and I will humbly apologize. TJ316, calm down, it's a public forum, it can be personal at times, but most people here are intelligent enough to know there are 3 sides to every story. Ok, I've had my say, now I will shut up. :)
 
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Gentlemen, I neither intentionally attacked nor had intensional intensions to "slam" anyone, I suggest you all read more carefully how this thread evolved into what it did... I simply state 100% true facts about my experience, if the truth sounds that way then so be it, but I assure you it's the truth. I still have the e-mail when I ask Howard about the wheel size as previously stated, and considering posting it. If you think it is anywhere appropriate to respond as he did with a picture of Bozo the clown after purchasing shocks and asking a simple question to a so called expert "What wheel size would you recommend for best handling on a RGC" then we can agree to disagree. If your experience was better I am very happy for you and glad to hear so, however you did not have the issues I did... I will say during the purchase process things were smooth although very unconventional for any business as far as method of payment goes, your unable to make payment directly through Motorcycle Metals website, you either had to mail a check or add for PayPal to an e-mail address, red flag no1, you have little to no recourse making payment this way if anything goes wrong. Facts are when I encountered my first problem after couple months I was shifted back to the manufacturer bearing the cost of shipping with no help from M.M. When the problem reoccured M.M. spoke very badly about JRI and all the personal there and I was basically told its there problem and M.M. only made 25 dollars on those shocks. Dealing directly with JRI was a pleasure, contradictory to what I was told and expected after hearing what Howard said about them for this reason I felt I compelled to give credit where credit was due. I was even told directly by Howard to threaten JRI that if I did not get my money back that I would slam there product in the forums red flag no2, post in the forum how good I am for a discount is red flag no3 ask yourself, who's the forum flamer? I'm not real big on forums but do come to them for information and enjoy contributing to give back. Despite the sorting out, Marcus actually offered to stop by my home on his way back fro Sturgis to install the replacement units unfortunately that was the weekend I was in Indy for the Moto G.P. races. When everything goes fine and you do not have a problem there should be nothing to complain about, right? The test of any business is when you do have a problem does it get handled properly. If the problems were handled appropriately there would be no reason to have discussed M.M. thats purely logical. This post was originally started to post evaluations... If you read carefully you will see I was attacked along with JRI and Marcus. The truth and fact I feel needed to be stated on my experience... Giving credit where credit was due and criticism where is was defiantly due. My statements of both are neither inflated nor exaggerated it's just simply the truth, I'm not the kind of guy to make things up and spend the time to publicly post it. I read a lot of praise before I spent my 1000.00 that lead me to where I spent it. I was also offered a discount to post similar praise. I felt what I've said needed to be said and for those making purchases to draw there own conclusion before spending there hard earned cash. Best Regards to all of you and I encourage anyone making future purchases to speak directly to Fuel Moto for Ohlins, Marcus at JRI and Howard at Motorcycle Metal... Make your own educated conclusion, inquire on return policy and repair policy. I stuck with JRI because they service the product they manufacture and because of the previous issues I had I was extended and satisfaction guarantee or my money back... Personally I couldn't have asked for more giving the headaches I had....... Amen.
 
Moderators please lock and close this thread , Slowguy if they read the thread from the beginning they will never understand how it got to this point because you have gone back and edited all of your post removing most of the negative comments you made to put yourself in a better light , please post the email you referenced but be warned I had Howard forward me all the communications between you and him I will post them too so everyone gets the TRUE story and I hope you remember how you spoke of others you now praise , I had hoped this thread was over but you seem to have no desire to let it lie
 
WOW I just read 4 pages of this, at first to find out about shocks then just to see when it ended LOL......

.....now I'm just glad I have air ride :flipoff: and a cut frame :D

Personally think Dbell said it best, carry on boys I'm gonna get some popcorn
 
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