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Anyone else bothered by this...

Making normal right hand or left hand turns on the roads, on my 2015 RGS, I seem to want to be in a gear someone between 2nd and 3rd.

2nd was always best for me on my '06 and '07 touring and softail bikes. Not overly aggressive on the turns, maybe somewhere between 25~30 mph ?? Not sure.

If I'm in 3rd, I'm lugging the engine coming out of the turns. But shifting down to 2nd I'm engine breaking hard coming into the turn.
This is my first hydraulic clutch HD. I don't seem to have a good feel for feathering the clutch when down shifting.

I don't know the actual gear ratio's or how they differ for the different years and tranny's. It's just what I'm experiencing.
I've been riding bikes since 1965 or so. Including Dirt, Street, Sport, Cruisers. Just thinking of the mileage I've put on some of my past bikes (the ones with speedo's), I've probably got well over 400k miles on two wheels.
But maybe I can still learn some things.
What am I doing wrong?
 

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Anyone else bothered by this...

Making normal right hand or left hand turns on the roads, on my 2015 RGS, I seem to want to be in a gear someone between 2nd and 3rd.

2nd was always best for me on my '06 and '07 touring and softail bikes. Not overly aggressive on the turns, maybe somewhere between 25~30 mph ?? Not sure.

If I'm in 3rd, I'm lugging the engine coming out of the turns. But shifting down to 2nd I'm engine breaking hard coming into the turn.
This is my first hydraulic clutch HD. I don't seem to have a good feel for feathering the clutch when down shifting.

I don't know the actual gear ratio's or how they differ for the different years and tranny's. It's just what I'm experiencing.
I've been riding bikes since 1965 or so. Including Dirt, Street, Sport, Cruisers. Just thinking of the mileage I've put on some of my past bikes (the ones with speedo's), I've probably got well over 400k miles on two wheels.
But maybe I can still learn some things.
What am I doing wrong?
Coming off a TC88B from 2002, the clutch and shifting was the absolute hardest thing for me to get used to on the M8, 5K later and Im still finding myself occasionally looking down to see what gear I'm in because it feels so different than the TC.

Practice makes perfect!!
 

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I see a Baker DD7 in your future. I loved going from 5 to 6 on my EVO Softail.

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I see a Baker DD7 in your future.
Unless you are beefing your motor to over 130/130......this is overkill - The DD7 is a monster of a trans with 1st being just a creeper gear - Also, depending on your build, this trans does NOT like hi rev downshifts so engine braking needs to be precise as can be - Baker is an exceptional Mfg but the DD7 has its place in the line up.....if considering a swap, I would look the The Grudge or even the old Baker 6 if it still is in Production

That and you lose all gear indication on your dials...other than 1st and 6th which is actually 7th.......anything in-between is non visible unless you go aftermarket on your instruments too
 

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I must be doing something different as I have not noticed much difference in turns between my 05, 08, 11, and 15 touring bikes. Love taking corners and curves in all of them.
 

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I hardly even use the clutch when shifting.. M-8's and the hydraulic clutch is so much smoother than the TC and cable clutch was...
 

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I must be doing something different as I have not noticed much difference in turns between my 05, 08, 11, and 15 touring bikes. Love taking corners and curves in all of them.
I would bet that if you had gone straight from the 05' to the 15' you would have noticed the difference. There were small changes in ratio throughout the years you just mentioned so you took baby steps up to what you ride now.

08'

1st/10.110
2nd/6.958
3rd/4.953
4th/3.862
5th/3.150


07'-13'

1st/9.312
2nd/6.421
3rd/4.774
4th/3.926
5th/3.279
6th/2.790


14' & up

1st/9.594
2nd/6.65
3rd/4.939
4th/3.999
5th/3.407
6th/2.875
 

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I would bet that if you had gone straight from the 05' to the 15' you would have noticed the difference. There were small changes in ratio throughout the years you just mentioned so you took baby steps up to what you ride now.

08'

1st/10.110
2nd/6.958
3rd/4.953
4th/3.862
5th/3.150


07'-13'

1st/9.312
2nd/6.421
3rd/4.774
4th/3.926
5th/3.279
6th/2.790


14' & up

1st/9.594
2nd/6.65
3rd/4.939
4th/3.999
5th/3.407
6th/2.875
^^^^^ YUP

I went from a 2002 to a 2018...WOW the Hyd clutch and Tranny is well "Weird"
 

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I would bet that if you had gone straight from the 05' to the 15' you would have noticed the difference. There were small changes in ratio throughout the years you just mentioned so you took baby steps up to what you ride now.
You may very well be right.The changes were gradual enough that there was no real learning curve needed. Interesting look at the ratio differences. Thanks for posting that.
 
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Thanks for the responses and input. I do commute daily and I'm working on it. But yeah, just not getting into a comfortable turn relationship yet.
I do blip the revs when downshifting so not actually locking up or anything.

One of my past bikes was a '96 1500 Kawi Vulcan Classic. That was a four-speed and I loved the power band between all the gears. :smile:
 

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I installed a lower rear brake lever. That alone dramatically improved my cornering smoothness . I can drag my a$$ around corners with ease now.
 

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I went from an 87 to a 10 and ran into much the same issue with trying to find the happy spot for a cornering gear. But for me the main fix was simply flattening out the throttle progressivity map (1:1) so it would actually opened properly when I told it to. After that I could just roll into it and she would pull fine in third..
 

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I installed a lower rear brake lever. That alone dramatically improved my cornering smoothness . I can drag my a$$ around corners with ease now.
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You mean the foot brake?? Seriously, is this a thing? I've never heard of it.
I do use foot brake, clutch, throttle control on slow speed turning. I can pull a pretty decent small u-turn L or R (sometimes)
 

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I installed a lower rear brake lever. That alone dramatically improved my cornering smoothness . I can drag my a$$ around corners with ease now.
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You mean the foot brake?? Seriously, is this a thing? I've never heard of it.
I do use foot brake, clutch, throttle control on slow speed turning. I can pull a pretty decent small u-turn L or R (sometimes)
Foot brake. Yes it's a thing. Soft Brake, EZ Brake , Kuryakyn make them. Maybe others. It lowers the pedal so that you can leave your heel on the board and brake with your toe. Much easier for me.
 
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