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So I called up FeulMoto today to ask some questions about this new Target Tuner from Dynojet. It runs your ECM in a closed loop off of the 18mm wide band sensors.
- allows factory ECM to interpret and use 18mm wide band sensors
- target fuel table from calibration/tune is achieved in real time.
- retains OEM closed loop, adaptive fuel control strategy.
- learns and uses VE table corrections as you ride
- does Not interfere with OEM dealer diagnostics, etc.

Sounds like a solid program from Dynojet.
I thought about switching over to a Tmax because the Target Tune basically works like a thundermax however I liked having the ability to run the bike even if the module fails as where if the Tmax fails, the bike goes down since it's an ECM replacement.

It should be here next week so once I get it hooked up. I will give a review. ??????
 

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I concur twice sir!

Anxiously awaiting your, and other's reviews.
This could be the cat's ass for those of us who are stuck in dyno/tuner black holes and rely on being able to tune ourselves.
Some of us have a decent tuner and don't trust them! LOL:grin:
 

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I am very excited to see how this Dynojet target tune works out. Fuelmoto said they are gonna preload a target tune specific tune for my setup (Jackpot 2-1-2 headers, CFR pipes, Stage 1 AC) and get it out to me by next week.

Once I get it, I'll install and flash it. And I'll give my review after that.


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It's more expensive than the Autotune Pro kit. Any advantage other than realtime corrections as opposed to learn & load?
 

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It's more expensive than the Autotune Pro kit. Any advantage other than realtime corrections as opposed to learn & load?
Autotune is, as you say, learn and load, everything after that is a crap shoot, and your fuel ratios will depend on how good your data collection runs were. After the tune is loaded the wide band o2 sensors are out of the loop.

The Target Tune finally gives us full time live wide band tuning, just like the factory should have been giving us for years. The wide bands remain in the loop and continually tune as you ride.
 

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How much is the target tuner.
$395 for the full kit with O2 sensors
If you are upgrading from Auto tune and already have the O2 sensors, the price is $265.

So, all in with the Power Vision and the Target tune, about the same price as something like the T-max, but far more functionality in the Power Vision IMO.

http://www.fuelmotousa.com/series-199126-dynojet-target-tune-for-power-vision.html#!year=2015||make=HARLEY-DAVIDSON||model=TOURING CVO ROAD GLIDE ULTRA FLTRUSE
 

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$395 for the full kit with O2 sensors
If you are upgrading from Auto tune and already have the O2 sensors, the price is $265.

So, all in with the Power Vision and the Target tune, about the same price as something like the T-max, but far more functionality in the Power Vision IMO.

http://www.fuelmotousa.com/series-199126-dynojet-target-tune-for-power-vision.html#!year=2015||make=HARLEY-DAVIDSON||model=TOURING CVO ROAD GLIDE ULTRA FLTRUSE

That's how I looked at it. I already am running an auto tune so I already have the 18mm bungs so I just needed the PV and the target tune.
I hear nothing but great things about the power vision so I'm excited to see how it performs.


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I am interested to see how this works out. Not crazy about auto tune in general because it is only as good as your data you collect. Now on the fly changes that would be great for it to change as u ride. Hoping it is reliable for big builds.
 

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I just ordered this yesterday and will be in tomorrow sometime. Already sent my current tune in and have received the target tune version of it. Now I just need to get my heads back with the new valves and springs and get her put back together. I didn't mind the auto tune, but this new target tune that actually uses the wide band O2 sensors to make the corrections on the fly should be awesome. More later when it's up & running…
 

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It's more expensive than the Autotune Pro kit. Any advantage other than realtime corrections as opposed to learn & load?
The ability to run widebands in closed loop full time is the advantage with Target Tune over AT-Pro, Target Tune gives you real time fuel correction to the AF of your preference. This works especially well for those that ride in different regions and in cases that are sensitive to variables relative to the tune such as differences in fuel etc..
 

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I installed mine last weekend. Easy install, anyone can do it if I can. I didn't send Jamie the best tune to convert as I mis-understood what they were asking me for so I sent them the base map I auto-tuned from. No problem though. In two auto tune runs, the bike runs better and pulls harder than it ever has before. I love the target tune. For the record, here is my setup:

2013 FLTRX
Rinehart 2-1
Heavy Breather AC
Andrews 57H cams
PV-1 with Target Tune

The only issue I had was the pigtail for the front header was a little on the short side to properly route to the TT unit under the seat. They are sending me a new, longer, pigtail to replace. It is my understanding that the kits will come that way standard from now on. Just an early adopter hiccup. No biggie for me. Again, love the target tune. I highly recommend it.
 

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Here is some useful information for those looking to install the new Target Tune kit on their Dynojet Power Vision equipped bike. Target Tune allows for full time closed loop fuel corrections over the entire calibration (not just the cruise range & light load areas like stock) by incorporating Bosch wideband O2 sensors into the Delphi ECM along with key changes to the calibration. TT allows users to target the AFR's of their choice without the limitations of the factory O2 sensors which can only sample within a limited range.

Fuel MotoDynojet - Target Tune for Power Vision
Key Features:
Allows the factory ECM to interpret and use wideband O2 sensor signals*
User defined AFR/Lambda targets over a broad range
Target fuel table from PV calibration is achieved in real time
Retains OEM closed loop, adaptive fuel control strategy
Learns and uses VE table corrections as you ride
Target Tune enhanced Auto Tune app on PV device
Does NOT interfere with dealer diagnostic / service tools
Direct plug in OEM style connectors connect to factory O2 harness
Model specific applications for Harley Davidson closed loop models
Available as upgrade kit without O2 sensors for owners of Auto Tune Pro
Fits 2006 and newer Harley Davidson motorcycles**



The first thing to note is that Target Tune equipped bikes require a Target Tune-enabled calibration, to request a new TT-enabled map you can email Fuel Moto at [email protected] or if you purchased your unit elsewhere you can request your map from [email protected]. For a new map we will need the year/model of your bike as well as all of the modifications you have made, or if you currently have have a map you would like converted to be TT-enabled you can email that and it will be converted. *IMPORTANT* Target Tune requires your Power Vision be updated to the latest Firmware, (2.0.19-1506 or later) and Tune Database (0.0.9.33 or later), and the latest WinPv softare must be installed (2.0.8.1500 or later). If you have earlier version of either of these items Target Tune will not work, if you open a Target Tune enabled map in earlier software it will disable the Target Tune settings, so... just make sure everything is updated before you get started :)

To get started make sure all the updates are current using the PV update client, load your Target Tune-enabled map and flash your ECM. Make sure you reset learned fuel trims when prompted. The bike in this example is a 2015 Street Glide however the following basics apply to all models. There are specific instructions & diagrams for each model in the Target Tune manual.

Install front & rear wideband O2 sensors. *Note* Bosch wideband O2 sensors are 18mm and will require the appropriate bung, many models including the 2010-newer FLH uses a 12mm sensor. These applications require an exhaust with 18mm bungs to accept the new sensors, the other alternative is to weld in the bungs in the appropriate location (weld in bungs are included with all TT kits)






wire in the O2 sensor leads to the Target Tune wideband controller, note each wire is color coded and is pre-soldered. A good tip is to use a paperclip to pierce the membrane before you push the wire in.



unplug the factory O2 sensors and plug in sensor harness from the Target Tune box. If you have exhaust with both 18mm & 12mm sensor bungs you can leave the factory sensors installed, however you can also remove them and plug the bung. If you need a plug it is 12mm X 1.25 thread.

 
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