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I need some guidance

I bought a 2012 RGC this past summer. It had, and still has, an unknown set of slip-ons.

I added a Big Sucker and FP3. What a difference, they make. And I love it.

I usually ride alone, but my wife will ride sometimes (so I have to keep that in mind with what comes next).

Last Friday, my younger brother bought a 2013 RGC. It has a complete Stage 1, Rienhart true duals. I dont know the exact model, but now looking at Rienhart's website, I bet its the Xtreme True Duals. Dyno sheet that came with his says 82HP/102ft-lb torque.

While we've not gone toe-to-toe riding with him, I can't have him with a better performing RGC, :wink: - So I have to upgrade more, starting with headers, maybe complete exhaust.

I have been scouring our site here, and the interweb, and realize that as much as I prefer the look, true duals are not the way to go from a performance perspective.

But I dont like the look of 2:1 and it seems a waste of $500 for a dummy pipe to get the look. That leave 2:1:2/X.

So here is the ask, given that I have the Big Sucker, and FP3, and dont want 2:1 or true duals, which 2:1:2/X can most likely keep up with, preferably exceed, the performance my little brother's setup?
 

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Changing the exhaust system alone is not going to get you any performance gain. At least nothing noticeable and especially not for the money. If you are on a budget I would spend the money that you want to spend on exhaust and upgrade the cams. THAT will get you past your brothers bike the easiest. If your budget allows for a new exhaust also then that would be the 2nd thing to add. Unless you have stretched bags there is really nothing wrong with the look of a 2into1 pipe once you get used to it. I was the same way when I bought my first RG that had a D&D FatCat. Thought it looked weird at first but after a short while I actually grew to love the look of it. It's just a mindset and that's all. We think things have to look a certain way and it hard to change. Just like if you're a Chevy truck guy and GM comes out with the new model, everyone hates it at first and starts bashing it and then after it's been out a while you don't hear anyone complaining anymore. Then you see a lot of those complainers driving around in that new model that they were complaining about 6mos ago. OK.... stepping down of my soapbox now. :grin: If you want the dual look the power duals that SteadyEddie mention are a good option. Read some of the cam threads to get an idea of what the options are. Plenty of choices that are bolt-in with no headwork required. It all depends on your riding style and where you want the bulk of the power to be.
 

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So, 2:1 really is the correct selection for best performance (that is what i gather from all I have read). I just have to get used to the looks.

And I guess I assumed cams is a big change, bigger than bolt-on exhaust that I can do myself, so I had not considered taking that step. Time for more research, cuz I know his does not have a cam upgrade ;).

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So, 2:1 really is the correct selection for best performance (that is what i gather from all I have read). I just have to get used to the looks.



And I guess I assumed cams is a big change, bigger than bolt-on exhaust that I can do myself, so I had not considered taking that step. Time for more research, cuz I know his does not have a cam upgrade ;).



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Going from a dual exhaust to a 2/1 exhaust will get you some extra performance but not a whole lot if that is all you change. Changing the cams to good torque cams AND going to a 2/1 exhaust is a fun combo. You don't have to do the exhaust right now if the budget is tight. I would to the cams first and then change the exhaust down the road if you still want to do that.


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+1 on the cam change. One of the best bangs for the buck. I have a D&D 2:1 on my Glide and personally would not go away from a 2:1 on any future bikes. I even have a 2:1 sitting at my casa waiting to go on my Victory Octane. As far as your brother beating you, if you want to make sure it's a long time before he can just get an S&S 124 with a turbo or blower on it. That should keep you in the lead for awhile. Good luck!
 

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Cams, 2 into 1 pipe, then big bore. That's the order I would go. Power adders like blowers are gun, but finicky and SUPER expensive
 

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in re: the 2-1, i was the same way at first. i didn't care for the look. then i got one, not only did it perform better, but i noticed that the left side of the bike was really clean looking. then i found out another benefit that hardly no one talks about. when it came time for a rear tire change, it was super easy to slide that rear axle out!

i don't really have many pics of this bike to show that, but this sorta shows it....
 

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2 into 1 is the best you can do for performance, D&D or Dragos will do a good job. A good bolt in cam will really wake it up but you would be better off with a more competent tuner than the FP3 if you go that route. Powervision or TTS would be the ticket.
 

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2 into 1 is the best you can do for performance, D&D or Dragos will do a good job. A good bolt in cam will really wake it up but you would be better off with a more competent tuner than the FP3 if you go that route. Powervision or TTS would be the ticket.
Good point the FP3 is a good stage 1 tuner.. Once you get into cams and beyond I would go with Powervision... Save and do a good solid build the first time because it sounds like the first time you beat your brother he will be spending some $$$ to get you back... The only limit is your wallet....
 

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in re: the 2-1, i was the same way at first. i didn't care for the look. then i got one, not only did it perform better, but i noticed that the left side of the bike was really clean looking. then i found out another benefit that hardly no one talks about. when it came time for a rear tire change, it was super easy to slide that rear axle out!

i don't really have many pics of this bike to show that, but this sorta shows it....
Don't forget about one less thing to clean . :) 2 into1 all the way.
 
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