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I recently purchased a 2016 RG, that appears to be pretty much stock except the V&H slip-ons. I know that for know the stock tune is capable of working with this setup. But, what I want to do is find a tuner that will allow me to grow and not require a new dyno tune after changing out parts, something that will either self learn or allow me to easily give it a basic tune that I can work with until the next mod. Example, could I take a tuner like the PV and add it to the bike, download a tune they recommend for current setup. When I swap out exhaust, I can repeat the tune process, then again with intake and so on. Would something like the PV work, or would it be wise to add something like an auto tune / target tune. I am not trying to be cheap, I just can't afford to drop a ton of money at once or to repeat dyno's after each up grade, I would like to get the dyno done after everything is complete.
 

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The Vance & Hines FP3 might be your ticket. Definitely not the best but it has auto tune and I know a lot of Bros running with it.
 

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Congrats on the new sled and welcome from Mass!!!


You know the deal, we need pics!


Many great tuners on the market for a non m8 scoot.


I bought a PV from Jamie at fuel moto for my twin cam, unlimited free maps available and the ability to auto tune.


I don't have V&H fuel pack but from what I've read they are very versatile and people love em.


Good luck with your decision
 

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If by mods you mean cams, big bore kit down the road, don't get a FP3. PV with free maps from fuel moto or a thundermax.

If your just going to be doing exhaust stuff and AC, then the FP3.

Just know that nothing takes the place of a quality dyno tune. Its not cheap doing it. I changed exhaust on mine and took it back to the tuner so that was more money again. However, when you have a lot of time and money into your build, finish it off right with a quality tune. I budgeted into the build when I was saving.

Your bike. Your money. Your choice
 

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If by mods you mean cams, big bore kit down the road, don't get a FP3. PV with free maps from fuel moto or a thundermax.

If your just going to be doing exhaust stuff and AC, then the FP3.

Just know that nothing takes the place of a quality dyno tune. Its not cheap doing it. I changed exhaust on mine and took it back to the tuner so that was more money again. However, when you have a lot of time and money into your build, finish it off right with a quality tune. I budgeted into the build when I was saving.

Your bike. Your money. Your choice
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There ya have it !!!
 

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If by mods you mean cams, big bore kit down the road, don't get a FP3. PV with free maps from fuel moto or a thundermax.

If your just going to be doing exhaust stuff and AC, then the FP3.

Just know that nothing takes the place of a quality dyno tune. Its not cheap doing it. I changed exhaust on mine and took it back to the tuner so that was more money again. However, when you have a lot of time and money into your build, finish it off right with a quality tune. I budgeted into the build when I was saving.

Your bike. Your money. Your choice
Philly, Thanks, short term plans is just the AC and pipes. But I like the option of going further with cams and top end down the road. I like the idea of the FP3, but not if I am going to have to replace it with something else to do those upgrades. I had a Power Commander on the Street Bob that was dyno'd at install and it ran like a beast, just didn't like the idea of having to get a new dyno run if I changed parts and want to avoid that with this bike. I want to be able to have a good running bike with a good decent tune until I am at the point of fine tuning it on the dyno.

Do either the PV, Thundermax for FP3 have the option of sending your auto tune map back to them and having it fine tuned with their professional knowledge to adjust them mapping a little better?

Also, I attached a pic of the bike for your viewing pleasure.
 

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I have a TTS, on my tuners recommendation. When you are done with your mods do you know who will tune it? If so, find out what they prefer to use and get that unit.
If I didn't have a tuner around me I would go with a thundermax. Of all the ones that "Self adjust" they seem to have the best reviews among tuners themselves.
I have a buddy that has the Thundermax, he is from Indiana, he loves it. Has had it for a few years and not one problem. Get it close and it does the rest.
Some guys will play around with the TTS, but thats a road Im not going down.
 

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Another vote for FP3 here. V&H says the FP3 will handle cam changes and they also recently updated their software to allow the FP3 to be used in conjunction with a dyno. Now I haven't heard of any authorized "FP3 Dyno Facilities", but the future looks bright!

The other tuner options mentioned are awesome too, and also much more familiar to dyno tuning specialists. But for the Ron Popeil "Set it and Forget it" effect, the FP3 is great.
 

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That's funny because Fuel Moto uses the PV to tune there Big Bore Builds...
Meaning, use a PV or thundermax. Not a FP3
 

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I recently purchased a 2016 RG, that appears to be pretty much stock except the V&H slip-ons. I know that for know the stock tune is capable of working with this setup. But, what I want to do is find a tuner that will allow me to grow and not require a new dyno tune after changing out parts, something that will either self learn or allow me to easily give it a basic tune that I can work with until the next mod. Example, could I take a tuner like the PV and add it to the bike, download a tune they recommend for current setup. When I swap out exhaust, I can repeat the tune process, then again with intake and so on. Would something like the PV work, or would it be wise to add something like an auto tune / target tune. I am not trying to be cheap, I just can't afford to drop a ton of money at once or to repeat dyno's after each up grade, I would like to get the dyno done after everything is complete.
just got a 2019 RGS was about to order exhaust and a power commander. Do power commanders suck? also does it void the warranty at all?
 

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I had no idea that voids the warranty. i wish i knew what a FP3 or a PV was lol, thats why i'm asking. any help would be greatly appreciated.

thank you
Your new bike has a data port where you hook up a flash tuner and “flash” your bike yourself. Two of the most popular are the Vance and Hines FP3 and the Dynojet Power Vision. The FP3 works off your cell phone while the PV is computer based. General feeling is if you’ going past a Stage 2 the PV is the better choice as it can be used on a dyno. Fuel Moto has a lot of info and a good place to buy one.
 

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Over the course of 18+ Harleys I've used most of the tuners on the market. FP3 is the cheapest & easiest to use, but as others have stated you are somewhat limited with future performance mods. I am currently running the FP3 on my 2018 RGS. My favorite tuner is a ThunderMax, it uses wide-band O2 sensors and Zippers customer service is great. I will be using a TMax as soon as I swap cams.
 

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Your new bike has a data port where you hook up a flash tuner and “flash” your bike yourself. Two of the most popular are the Vance and Hines FP3 and the Dynojet Power Vision. The FP3 works off your cell phone while the PV is computer based. General feeling is if you’ going past a Stage 2 the PV is the better choice as it can be used on a dyno. Fuel Moto has a lot of info and a good place to buy one.
Thank you for the explanation. All I plan on doing to my bike is Bassani 2 into 1 exhaust and a Arlen Ness intake. In your opinion do you recommend just getting the FP3? by the way im originally from Freehold :)
 
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