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Well, the 2012 RGU started making a horrible racket last Friday night. Sounded like there were marbles behind the Cam Cover.

I took it in on Saturday morning and they agreed that it didn't sound good. Now I'm waiting for the verdict. They won't get to it until at least tomorrow, but I think it probably has something to do with the Cam Tensioner/Cam Plate. Just a guess, but I have heard of issues there.

There's 59K miles on the bike, so I'm not surprised. Good thing is that still under the Extended Warranty, with $0.00 deductible.

I'll keep you guys posted on what they find.
 

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Yep, note them miles
rode our only ever new HD, '03 RG anni and within
the first 100 miles~heard at least twice it'll come un-glued
For sure before 20k, then 30, 40, 50....at 85k marbles in a can

If it is, you must have gotten an expired batch of glue,
The set-up on your year sposd to stay stuck
 

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Well, I went down to check on the bike this afternoon. Looks bad. One of the tensioners was stuck, the cam plate was all chewed up, the oil pump had major score marks, the lifters and their rollers were scored as well and there was a pile of sparkly metal in the bottom of the motor.

Dealer says it may need a new engine. Since I have the zero deductible warranty, and this would be covered, I don't mind that.

I told them to continue the tear down to determine the full extent of the damage, and if it does indeed need a new engine, please work up a quote on the price differential on a new 120ST as well.

I don't know if I will go that route or not, but it doesn't hurt to have the quote.

If I do go with the 120ST, a new set of cams may be in the near future as well. I may want to swap out the SE259 for the hotter SE266's. (same as in the 120R) :grin:

As before, I'll keep everyone posted.
 

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Well, I went down to check on the bike this afternoon. Looks bad. One of the tensioners was stuck, the cam plate was all chewed up, the oil pump had major score marks, the lifters and their rollers were scored as well and there was a pile of sparkly metal in the bottom of the motor.

Dealer says it may need a new engine. Since I have the zero deductible warranty, and this would be covered, I don't mind that.

I told them to continue the tear down to determine the full extent of the damage, and if it does indeed need a new engine, please work up a quote on the price differential on a new 120ST as well.

I don't know if I will go that route or not, but it doesn't hurt to have the quote.

If I do go with the 120ST, a new set of cams may be in the near future as well. I may want to swap out the SE259 for the hotter SE266's. (same as in the 120R) :grin:

As before, I'll keep everyone posted.
If you do go with the 120ST and want to upgrade the cams, look into T-man, S&S, Woods, Fuel Moto etc. The 266's do put out better max power but are not the best for everyday riding. Talk to a reputable builder about cam choices for where you want the power. Another option is to just keep the 259e's until the 1yr factory warranty is up and you can use that time to do some thorough research. Bottom line is that if you are going to change cams from the start and void the factory warranty on the engine do it with a better cam than the SE266. Just my 2 pennies

Hope they take care of you and good luck!
 

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If you do go with the 120ST and want to upgrade the cams, look into T-man, S&S, Woods, Fuel Moto etc. The 266's do put out better max power but are not the best for everyday riding. Talk to a reputable builder about cam choices for where you want the power. Another option is to just keep the 259e's until the 1yr factory warranty is up and you can use that time to do some thorough research. Bottom line is that if you are going to change cams from the start and void the factory warranty on the engine do it with a better cam than the SE266. Just my 2 pennies

Hope they take care of you and good luck!
This dealership has done me good so far. I trust them more than the other local dealer.

That may be because I have a Club Brother who works there, and I am close friends with other members of the staff, or it may just be they do good work and actually care. I don't know. So far I have been happy with their work.

The only reason I was thinking of the SE266 is because that turns the motor into the 120R. If there are better cams out there, I am willing to listen and learn. What I am looking for is good response at the low end, but mostly good cruising power.

Currently, I like the way the bike responds. But a little hotter along the same curve would be better. Here's what my latest dyno looks like.


Max Power 97.12 bhp @ 4918.6 rpm, Max Torque 117.88 Ft/lb @ 3865.5 rpm
Those numbers are with 53K miles on the motor.

Good pull starting at about 2k, but the real power comes on around 2700 and goes until about 5K.

Most of my riding is on the freeway, so good cruising response is where I want it, but I like being able to pull onto the freeway and not have any trouble keeping up with the rest of The Boys as we accelerate into traffic though. I don't need to be a Stoplight to Stoplight Demon though. I'm not into 1/4 mile racing.
 

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Yea, I don't think I will be able to get an aftermarket engine out of the MoCo.

I'm still not sure if I will get the 120ST. I might just have to go with a straight replacement of the 110 that's in there.

But if I can swing it, I would love to have the MoCo pay for most of the cost of the engine upgrade if possible.
 

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Make sure you get those boys a keg IF more ya get more than
the minimum out a the ESP, but if it is trashed it's trashed
Well, it looks like it's trashed.

I got down there again on Wednesday. Took some pictures of the damage.

Lot's of shiny stuff in the cam chest and drained out on the bundles below.


Major scoring in the lifter galleries.



Cam Plate has a bunch of scoring.



All four lifters looked like hell.



Kind of a blurry picture, but you can see the damage to the cam lobes.



Front rod doesn't travel through it's arc very smoothly. It catches and lurches like there is debris in the bearings.

Warranty Company inspector was there yesterday afternoon. Dealership says they want to long block it. Just waiting on approval from the inspector. I should have an answer by this evening.

Fingers are crossed.
 

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Got the news that the Warranty Company OKd' the new engine. Long block to be ordered on Monday. In the process, the SE255 cams are being replaced with SE259 cams. A little bit hotter, but not too wild.

Still have to wait for the engine to get here and into the bike, but at least I don't have to buy the new engine.
 

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110" Long block got here on Tuesday. Also, the new cams shipped on tuesday, they were on back order. It's getting closer! :grin:
 

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Just got the call from the Dealership. Bike is ready to be picked up. Now this day just can't get any slower. I have to wait until the end of work to go get it. It's been only 5 1/2 weeks, but it feels like more.

To recap:
New Long Block, updated cams from SE255 to SE259E. So this should be a little peppier without going to wild.

I'll post more later today after I get the bike back.
 

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Congrats on finally getting your sled back.
Man when something goes wrong and the bike has to be fixed, it always kills me waiting to get the old sled back.
Let us know how the cams worked out.
Swomack
 

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Will do!

I have to do the ECM flash since the EPA won't let the dealer do that now, but I have the software and the cables to use my SE Tuner.

Unfortunately, when I fired it up yesterday, I was forced to do an update on the software. It completely deleted my old version and all of my saved maps. I guess this is part of the new EPA arrangement, but now there are a lot of missing items you used to be able to configure.No more option to input the type of injectors and a bunch of other stuff you had the option of choosing. It's pretty basic. I haven't checked to see if the mixture can be adjusted or not. I'll figure that out later, but for now, I'll put a canned map in based on what I have and go from there. I can't leave the current map in since I changed the cams and the SE259E's have a longer duration and higher lift than the SE255's. It would run way too lean if I did.
 

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OK, First Impressions - The Bike:

I've only put 56 miles on it so far, but Seat of the Pants dyno says more power and a little more torque.

I'm not giving it the total baby treatment, but I'm not abusing it yet either.


Second Impressions - The new Tuner software.

I hate it! They've trashed the functionality I liked and made it a lot more difficult to work with. I have never claimed to be proficient at tuning, but I could at least make sense of the process.

Overall I'm happy with the new engine and the way the bike feels with the new cams. It gives the bike a better response and a deeper rumble. We'll see how it does tomorrow.
 

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Good Post Stick - and glad you got your bike back for the weekend.......
Would the Power Vision from Dynojet give you the functionality you lost? I'm not familiar with the others..... I've only run the PV in my bikes with good success. Not cheap but maybe an option?
 

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Will do!

I have to do the ECM flash since the EPA won't let the dealer do that now, but I have the software and the cables to use my SE Tuner.

Unfortunately, when I fired it up yesterday, I was forced to do an update on the software. It completely deleted my old version and all of my saved maps.
While I've seen some fairly persistent update nags, I've never seen one that was actually mandatory. So you should be able to just say no. I generally do - but I work in IT - so I kinda saw this coming..

The tuning files may be recoverable if you had - the default depending on Windows version - Previous Versions feature running. The default SEPST storage location is:
C:\ProgramData\Super Tuner\Delphi\Tuning Files

Right click the Tuning Files folder and select properties.
In the properties dialog select the Previous Versions tab.
If PV was enabled there will be a list of system created backups that can be opened to retrieve your missing tune files (hopefully..).

Also, if you need a fresh copy of the install for an older - less crippled - version of the SEPST software, I saved a copy of the install file for versions 7, 8 and 9.

This is the kind of shit that happens when a corporation is "properly" incentivized to push something out of existence. And frankly I wouldn't be the slightest bit shocked if an "Infotainment" system update suddenly closed the peephole the aftermarket party tuners have been using to access the ECM. It's easy enough to do when you're the guy that designed the system. And it's next to impossible to Reverse Engineer past it if there is no longer an opening to pick at.

As for me I'll be keeping my 10 for a very very long time, while sitting back and watching the show.
 
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