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2019 RGS at 1,500 miles with new motor at 500 miles on it. So I've been checking my fluids every ride and ride I pretty hard when i ride. But the trans oil has a funny smell to it and it looks clear as can be on the dip stick. All 3-holes have SYN3 recommended from MOCO tech do to the new motor. Maybe when they did the 1,000 mile service that had the break in oil and switched to SYN3 it puts out a different smell until the next oil change.
 

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There are lots of things to sniff out there, I wouldn't be picking my trans oil to be at the top of the list. There's all kinds of recreational sniff stuff available.... LOL


Does it smell like sulpher? Gear oils tend to smell like rotten eggs, at least a bit. If that's the case, you're fine. They certainly didn't use Syn3.
 

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There are lots of things to sniff out there, I wouldn't be picking my trans oil to be at the top of the list. There's all kinds of recreational sniff stuff available.... LOL


Does it smell like sulpher? Gear oils tend to smell like rotten eggs, at least a bit. If that's the case, you're fine. They certainly didn't use Syn3.
I think you hit the nail right on the head.. I was gonna say it smelled like a lite hint of
curry,but didn't want to offend anyone.. The tech told me they ran all 3-holes with SYN3 and he gave me a half of quart left over.
 

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It might not smell like the syn 3 left in the bottle, since it will be mixed with a little of the original gear oil.

Now here's the thing, syn 3 is not what the MoCo recommends for that gear box. If you look in the manuals they recommend Formula+, which is gear oil. syn three can pass the tests they rate gear oil under, but it con not have the additional high pressure additives such as zinc. I would would spend $10, drain the motor oil out and put gear oil back in. Either formula+ or synthetic gear oil from Wally's.
 

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It might not smell like the syn 3 left in the bottle, since it will be mixed with a little of the original gear oil.

Now here's the thing, syn 3 is not what the MoCo recommends for that gear box. If you look in the manuals they recommend Formula+, which is gear oil. syn three can pass the tests they rate gear oil under, but it con not have the additional high pressure additives such as zinc. I would would spend $10, drain the motor oil out and put gear oil back in. Either formula+ or synthetic gear oil from Wally's.
And I am told that you do not want to mix syn3 and formula+.
I blieve they come the factory with formula.
 

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And I am told that you do not want to mix syn3 and formula+.
I blieve they come the factory with formula.
They come with Formula+. but it may have something added to it as far as break in goes. I've seen a lot of 1000 mile service oil reports that show copper in the trans oil, and there is no yellow metal in the trans that I know of. But copper sphericals are popular for breaking in anything that uses oil as lube, and does not have a cat down stream.
 

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It might not smell like the syn 3 left in the bottle, since it will be mixed with a little of the original gear oil.

Now here's the thing, syn 3 is not what the MoCo recommends for that gear box. If you look in the manuals they recommend Formula+, which is gear oil. syn three can pass the tests they rate gear oil under, but it con not have the additional high pressure additives such as zinc. I would would spend $10, drain the motor oil out and put gear oil back in. Either formula+ or synthetic gear oil from Wally's.
Sounds like I may have miss understood the tech, but i will call tomorrow and make sure. If he did use SYN3 then i will dump it and run gear oil for the gear box. Thank you for the info :cool:
 

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2019 RGS at 1,500 miles with new motor at 500 miles on it. So I've been checking my fluids every ride and ride I pretty hard when i ride. But the trans oil has a funny smell to it and it looks clear as can be on the dip stick. All 3-holes have SYN3 recommended from MOCO tech do to the new motor. Maybe when they did the 1,000 mile service that had the break in oil and switched to SYN3 it puts out a different smell until the next oil change.
Am I reading this right? Your 19 bike has 1,500 miles on it but the engine only has 500 miles. Did you have to replace your engine already or am I reading this wrong?
 

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It might not smell like the syn 3 left in the bottle, since it will be mixed with a little of the original gear oil.

Now here's the thing, syn 3 is not what the MoCo recommends for that gear box. If you look in the manuals they recommend Formula+, which is gear oil. syn three can pass the tests they rate gear oil under, but it con not have the additional high pressure additives such as zinc. I would would spend $10, drain the motor oil out and put gear oil back in. Either formula+ or synthetic gear oil from Wally's.
Thermodyne, Do you have an opinion on the new Harley 80/140 gear oil?
 

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Makes me want to get one:)
I have 1000 miles on my Himalayan now. Seeing places I could never ever see on the Harley. You'd probably need a KTM or BMW for the larger rider triangle.
 

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Sounds like I may have miss understood the tech, but i will call tomorrow and make sure. If he did use SYN3 then i will dump it and run gear oil for the gear box. Thank you for the info :cool:
The most profitable oil the MoCo sells is syn3. And by using one oil, there is only one partial bottle left over, instead of two.

Also, the MoCo schools up techs on the virtues of syn3, basically the same stuff you see in oil ads. And while it is arguable better for the engine, the same does not hold true for the other holes.
 

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Am I reading this right? Your 19 bike has 1,500 miles on it but the engine only has 500 miles. Did you have to replace your engine already or am I reading this wrong?
Yes you read it correctly.

My motor had noises and it started at about 40-miles on the bike, brought to the dealer and they said put more miles on it. I then started recording the noises and mileage and emailed it to the dealer who then sent it to moco with a reference number.

After i had enough and dropped my bike off with 900 miles on it and demanded they fix it or give me another bike on the floor. From there moco wanted my ECM down load and to tear the cam chest open, then the dealer found a lifter bore scored. Then moco wanted a top end tear down after they scoped it and found some scratches on the rear cylinder they flew out a tech specialist.

Now i have 650 miles on the new motor

Within 24hrs the tech specialist expedited a new complete motor with a new stage 2 cam kit and they threw in the 1,000 service... I have to say that the dealer and moco really took care of this issue, so as long as you don't put an aftermarket tuner on your bike you won't have any issues with factory warranty
 

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It might not smell like the syn 3 left in the bottle, since it will be mixed with a little of the original gear oil.

Now here's the thing, syn 3 is not what the MoCo recommends for that gear box. If you look in the manuals they recommend Formula+, which is gear oil. syn three can pass the tests they rate gear oil under, but it con not have the additional high pressure additives such as zinc. I would would spend $10, drain the motor oil out and put gear oil back in. Either formula+ or synthetic gear oil from Wally's.
You are right about that, called the dealer and they did use the Formula+ in the gear box.. Thank you, man it has a very lite odor but i couldn't call it
 

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Yes you read it correctly.

My motor had noises and it started at about 40-miles on the bike, brought to the dealer and they said put more miles on it. I then started recording the noises and mileage and emailed it to the dealer who then sent it to moco with a reference number.

After i had enough and dropped my bike off with 900 miles on it and demanded they fix it or give me another bike on the floor. From there moco wanted my ECM down load and to tear the cam chest open, then the dealer found a lifter bore scored. Then moco wanted a top end tear down after they scoped it and found some scratches on the rear cylinder they flew out a tech specialist.

Now i have 650 miles on the new motor

Within 24hrs the tech specialist expedited a new complete motor with a new stage 2 cam kit and they threw in the 1,000 service... I have to say that the dealer and moco really took care of this issue, so as long as you don't put an aftermarket tuner on your bike you won't have any issues with factory warranty

Sorry for all your issues, but glad to hear they took care of you.
I also read your first post and was scratching my head, I just figured it would come out :smile:

Wishing you the best of luck in your future miles
 
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