Well I ordered some hertz hcx 165s from amazon and they came from car audio dealers in california and I got wrong speakers. Also, the labels and serial numbers were removed. The speakers were scratched. So, I called the company and told them I wanted a refund because they were wrong speakers and they were either fakes or used. I am getting a refund and shipping them back. Hopefully I get my money back. Lesson learned, my fault for looking for cheapest price. So, you guys that have hertz speakers, where did you buy them? I am looking for an authorized dealer that has good prices and won't pork me. Thanks.